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Sixtus Pape


Inscrit le: 03 Juil 2014 Messages: 4160 Localisation: Sur les rives du Tibre
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 12:38 pm Sujet du message: Activity of cardinals |
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It is our desire to have a stable monitoring of the activity of all the active cardinals in accordance with the requirements of Canon law.
We initially considered to establish a new committee for this purpose but we consider it wiser to assign this task to the already existing emeritus committee.
Therefore, the emeritus committee is tasked with drafting a report on the activity of all active cardinals and, where needed, suggesting a course of action to correct any inconsistencies. _________________
Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik |
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Gropius Cardinal


Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2015 Messages: 5433 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Della Scala
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 12:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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We will do as you request, Holy Father. _________________
Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗ |
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15175 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 12:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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This is a good and meaningful addition which I fully support.
Activity is the key feature to ensure efficient and focused leadership of Holy Mother Church and to fully advise His Holiness. Therefore, I can only welcome these steps and, as a member of the Emeritus Committee, I am of course available to fill this new direction of the Committee's function with life and content together with my colleagues. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3839
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 1:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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"Serving the needs of the Holy Church is a duty that no doubt every cleric must carry out. My doubt, however, is how to establish these criteria because there is always the risk that they are not objective and are evaluated on the basis of other aspects.
However, since I am a member of the Committee for the Emerites I can collaborate with my confreres to try to work out a draft." _________________
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Gropius Cardinal


Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2015 Messages: 5433 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Della Scala
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 1:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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Brother Francesco Maria, the criteria are those provided by Canon Law. _________________
Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗ |
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Urbain_mastiggia Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Mai 2017 Messages: 2700
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 8:15 pm Sujet du message: |
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- L'idée est intéressante, en effet. Après tout, notre travail ici et partout où nous mènent nos missions cardinalices impactent et sont l'image même de l'Eglise.
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- The idea is interesting, indeed. After all, our work here and wherever our cardinal missions take us impact and are the very image of the Church. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12310
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 9:02 pm Sujet du message: |
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I think the previous speakers have said what matters and I agree. _________________
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pamelita Cardinal


Inscrit le: 15 Oct 2013 Messages: 3864 Localisation: Ducato di Milano
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Posté le: Lun Oct 24, 2022 9:36 pm Sujet du message: |
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I can only add that I agree with my eminent brothers. _________________
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Roderic_ Cardinal


Inscrit le: 31 Mar 2020 Messages: 2145 Localisation: Rome et la Principauté de Catalogne
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Posté le: Mar Oct 25, 2022 4:58 am Sujet du message: |
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That is the will of His Holiness, and I agree with my brothers. _________________
Cardinal Bishop // Cardinal Vicar Grand Inquisitor // Prelate of Honour of His Holiness //
Archbishop sine cura of Sassari and Urbino // Bishop sine cura of Urgell // Chancellor of the Order of Saint Nicolas V . |
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silvio_1 Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Mar 2015 Messages: 3601
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Posté le: Mar Oct 25, 2022 10:02 am Sujet du message: |
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I agree _________________
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heldor Cardinal


Inscrit le: 18 Nov 2008 Messages: 2695 Localisation: Venezia - Italia
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Posté le: Mar Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am Sujet du message: |
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I totally agree with the idea of the Holy Father, with a suggestion:
would it be possible that, who will be in charge of this control, warn the inactive cardinal to show up if he wants to keep the title? I say this from personal experience, because sometimes you don't realize how fast time runs. _________________ +S.Ecc.Ill.ma frà Tebaldo Foscari detto Heldor il randello
Cardinale Vescovo Emerito di San Domenico in Burgos
Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
Patriarca Metropolita di Venezia
Arcivescovo Sine Cura di Gorizia
Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
Conte di Sezze
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15175 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mar Oct 25, 2022 12:09 pm Sujet du message: |
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I am not sure if you really want the committee to treat you like a toddler or that the committee is a kind of kindergarten teacher who supervises the little children and if they do something wrong punishes them with the cane and gives warnings.
I don't think that is what you meant at all and that you, like all of us, are raising the status of activity to the maximum to ensure the gloire of the church.
That you have personal experience of inactivity, I have noticed that too. Very frightening. _________________
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heldor Cardinal


Inscrit le: 18 Nov 2008 Messages: 2695 Localisation: Venezia - Italia
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Posté le: Mer Oct 26, 2022 8:31 am Sujet du message: |
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That I have been inactive, on and off, in these rooms, it is true, but I have always been active on the territory and in other rooms, but I realize that I have not always counted for how many months I have not expressed myself in the Curia! It must not be the only activity that must be considered, also because often and willingly these are topics I know little about, so by expressing myself I would give more harm than good with my intervention ... Or I should always intervene, sticking my tongue even at the cost of doing damage? _________________ +S.Ecc.Ill.ma frà Tebaldo Foscari detto Heldor il randello
Cardinale Vescovo Emerito di San Domenico in Burgos
Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
Patriarca Metropolita di Venezia
Arcivescovo Sine Cura di Gorizia
Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
Conte di Sezze
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Gropius Cardinal


Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2015 Messages: 5433 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Della Scala
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Posté le: Mer Oct 26, 2022 8:41 am Sujet du message: |
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The Commission will not be arbitrary in defining the activity of a cardinal, but will follow the same rules it already uses for emeriti, which are those provided for in the article I am quoting:
Citation: | Book 5 Part II Article 2.8: Cardinals who have been absent for more than one month without giving notice of their absence may be removed from office and, if necessary, appointed emeritus.
n.b. Absence is understood to mean
- Non-participation in the work of the Sacred College;
- Non-participation in the work of his Congregation by a Cardinal-Bishop;
- Non-participation in the work of his Consistory by a Cardinal-priest or a Cardinal-deacon;
- Occasional presence without effective participation in the work under his jurisdiction;
- Absence, disappearance, retirement or withdrawal in Gratebus. |
However, we are not the caretakers of the cardinals, but will simply do as His Holiness requested, i.e. the Commission will draw up a report on the activities of all active cardinals and, if necessary, suggest a course of action to correct any inconsistencies. _________________
Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗ |
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Cathelineau Cardinal


Inscrit le: 21 Fév 2015 Messages: 4281 Localisation: Château de Quintin
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Posté le: Mer Oct 26, 2022 9:45 am Sujet du message: |
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It does not shock me even if deep down for me it will not change anything. There is a basic problem because the machine has been jammed for years now. We all know that there are congregations where the work is not done, yet we do nothing because we cannot do anything. We have not been able to train the new generation of chancellors, those in place have been there for a long time and even the last appointed to the Holy Truth are elders. If we continue like this, it's death slowly. If this committee can help solve the problem, I say so much the better, but deep down we all know that it won't be enough. _________________
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