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silvio_1 Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Mar 2015 Messages: 3565
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Posté le: Sam Jan 07, 2023 6:32 pm Sujet du message: Autorizzazione |
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Comincio con l 'augurare a tutti i componenti del Sacro Collegio
Buon 1471
Con la richiesta [spoiller]
Citation: | Vi abbiamo indicato di sottoporre la questione in Sacro Collegio, confidiamo che non dovremo ripeterlo una terza volta.
S PP IV | [/spoiller]di Sua Santità Sistxo
Chiedo l 'opinione e l 'autorizzazione di registrare un documento funebre
negli Archivi italici.
Tale documento richiede l 'approvazione di questo Sacro Collegio
di cui sarà responsabile in caso uscissero problemi nel prossimo futuro.
Funerale a écrit: |
Certificato del Sacramento del Funerale
Nel Nome dell'Altissimo Onnipotente e dei Suoi Due Profeti Aristotele e Christos, dichiaro e certifico che
Nel giorno 09 novembre 1470
la Fedele defunta Dejanira, nota come Dejanira,
ha ricevuto il Sacramento del Funerale
per mano di Alma Bianca Arnod Sforza "Almalibre" presso la parrocchia di San Miniato nella diocesi di Lucca
alla presenza del testimone Guglielmo Vitaliani Borromeo,
noto come Jojoboy
quindi è stata sepolta in terra consacrata secondo i precetti della Santa Chiesa Aristotelica Universale e Romana.
Fatto nella parrocchia di San Miniato, in questo giorno IX del mese XI dell'anno di grazia MCDLXX.
Monsignora

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Spiegazioni: Jojboy morto 12 anni fà di cui l 'anima viene eradicata
gli viene celebrato la
Tumulazione richiesta dalla stessa moglie Dejanira
che oggi lui viene a chiedere "sepoltura"a una non morta
Il problema che sorge in questo pasticcio è che il defunto torna dopo anni con la stessa storia di vita .
Non consapevole d 'essere morto e che l 'ex moglie ha solo cambiato il nome in Evarne.
Chiedo semplicemente a questo Sacro collegio
come vuole procedere?
Mi autorizzate a registrare tale certificato di morte della presunta
Dejanira-Evarne ?
La mia richiesta di autorizzazione è dovuta a non dare problemi alla Chiesa in futuro
Grazie
I begin by wishing all the members of the Sacred College
Good 1471
With the request
Con la richiesta [/b][spoiller]
Citation: | Vi abbiamo indicato di sottoporre la questione in Sacro Collegio, confidiamo che non dovremo ripeterlo una terza volta.
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Explanations: Jojboy died 12 years ago whose soul is eradicated
he is celebrated the
Tumulazione
requested by wife Dejanira herself
that today he comes to ask "burial"to an undead
The problem that arises in this mess is that the deceased returns after years with the same life story.
Not aware that he’s dead and that his ex-wife just changed his name to Evarne.
I simply ask this Sacred College
How do you want to proceed?
Authorize me to register this death certificate of the alleged
Dejanira-Evarne ?
My request for permission is due to not give problems to the Church in the future
Thank you
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Dim Jan 08, 2023 4:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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When someone has been eradicated, there is no funeral ceremony. This has always been forbidden.
Therefore, an entry in our registers will be difficult. _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2023 6:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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Silvio bring this case into a correct timeline, so that we all can see what happen when in a case of list.
That will help to see if this case needs and can be solved in this area. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3901
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Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2023 8:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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"This affair is undoubtedly complex and with unclear passages that must be explained in an exhaustive manner to allow this Sacred College to make the right decision according to the truth.
The problem was debated by the Episcopal Assembly of the Holy Roman Empire here you can read and try to understand all the events." _________________
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silvio_1 Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Mar 2015 Messages: 3565
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Posté le: Mer Jan 11, 2023 8:22 am Sujet du message: |
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And what should I list? THIS?
Where does Gropius tell me he made "your boxes"?
Where the trio of Almalibre defenders swear that there are flying donkeys? Where does Gropius insist that I DON’T care about others?
When we use the head with the brain inside you should
But it’s too hard to check things before you do them.
Thanks to Almalibre we find ourselves with a dead man walking,
E cosa dovrei elencare?
Gropius dove mi dice di aver rotto i "le scatole"?
Dove il trio di difensori Almalibre giura che ci sono asini volanti? Dove Gropius insiste che NON mi devo interessare degli altri?
Quando usiamo la testa con il cervello dentro dovresti
Ma è troppo impegnativo controllare le cose prima di farle.
Grazie ad Almalibre ci troviamo con un morto che cammina[/b],
Jojoboy was born :the 57
Citation: | Battesimo
Nome IG fedele:Jojoboy
Parrocchia Battesimo:Novara
Officiante Battesimo: Heldor
Data Battesimo: 1 Aprile 1457
Madrina: non presente |
a pag n 27 Ecumene I find recorded iil baptism
Dies (autoeridication) back after two years
in May of 59
but in the meantime he retires to a convent
and at the same time his wife Dejanira asks for his funeral
Perhaps they hadn’t noticed his return
a Giugno 1459 Dejanira cambia nome e vita in
Evarne
On date 6 November 1470 The tal Jojoboy
comes to request his certificate of baptism
that of the wife and marriage certificate
with the idea of asking for the dissolution of marriage
I am sure because I issued the certificates he requested
Then instead he came to ask for his wife’s funeral certificate
even before the funeral , I did not make time to answer that
Almalibre answered him :follow me xxx
In data 9 Novembre 1470
si celebra Funeraledi Dejanira(Evarne)
What I ask if the Sacred College takes responsibility
of any future problems
I register the funeral certificate issued by Almalibre
Funerale a écrit: |
Certificato del Sacramento del Funerale
Nel Nome dell'Altissimo Onnipotente e dei Suoi Due Profeti Aristotele e Christos, dichiaro e certifico che
Nel giorno 09 novembre 1470
la Fedele defunta Dejanira, nota come Dejanira,
ha ricevuto il Sacramento del Funerale
per mano di Alma Bianca Arnod Sforza "Almalibre" presso la parrocchia di San Miniato nella diocesi di Lucca
alla presenza del testimone Guglielmo Vitaliani Borromeo,
noto come Jojoboy
quindi è stata sepolta in terra consacrata secondo i precetti della Santa Chiesa Aristotelica Universale e Romana.
Fatto nella parrocchia di San Miniato, in questo giorno IX del mese XI dell'anno di grazia MCDLXX.
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[b]Se il Concistorio si prende la responsabilità per eventuali futuri problemi io procedo a archiviare. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3901
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Posté le: Mer Jan 11, 2023 11:53 am Sujet du message: |
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"Cardinal Silvio mine was a general speech so that everyone could understand the dynamics of the problem by reading the discussion that had taken place in the Episcopal Assembly.
I don't care about the other things you talk about." _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mer Jan 11, 2023 4:24 pm Sujet du message: |
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Thank you Silvio, this has been very helpful.
In my estimation, the following is clear:
- The human jojoboy died in May 59 and was buried in June 59 (that the admins forbid funerals of aurtoeridications I should underline again clearly. It is basically forbidden to give any sacraments, because the admins want to prevent a glorification of an admin judgment and the associated character).
- Dejanira's name change was officially requested and registered by her? I heard the Italian zone also has registers for name changes like the German zone.
- The person jojoboy of November 70 is not the person jojoboy who died in May 59.
Consequently, he had no right to refer to a marriage with Dejanira. Perhaps this person suffers from a personality disorder.
- The performance of a sacrament at the request of a person who claims to be a man he is not is invalid.
Unless the person Dejanira is indeed dead and Evarne is a new person of her own.
To this Evarne should take a stand and report if there was the request for name change including the registration.
If there was NOT and the name change did NOT occur then obviously Dejanira is dead.
BUT, even if she is dead - the human jojoboy of November 1470 would NOT be entitled to demand a burial! _________________
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silvio_1 Cardinal


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expected not received answers
good luck! _________________
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