L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Adelene]

Fenice, I'll let you tell me where we can talk more easily. In my opinion, we should very quickly request a diplomatic meeting with Normandy, to at least listen to what they have to say, and to show the difference between the pretentious diplomacy that the archdeacon wished to conduct on behalf of the Church, and the real voice of the Church that you carry. I can facilitate this meeting, and introduce you, while making sure that you are not handicapped by the language barrier.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

Cher Confrère, mon français est sans doute un peu raide, mais personne ne m'a jamais dit que je ne pouvais pas m'exprimer de manière compréhensible. En cas de problème ou d'erreur, je demanderai de l'aide.

In my opinion, without wishing to teach you anything in your role, it would be appropriate for you to call the Archdeaconess back to order, to avoid further damage. We must show her and our political interlocutors who has the authority to conduct a diplomatic dialogue, with peacemaking firmness.

As I understand it, Nathaira puts her own interests before those of the Church, so it must be shown that she is not and does not speak for the Church.
Let us wait for the answer to your request and in the meantime let us agree on one thing: she must not be present.
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[Adelene]

We've already called the archdeacon to order. But it's not just about her any more. Normandy was demanding an apology from the Church, and it was dragging on. The Queen is also furious because it is her vassal who has been offended.

I therefore agreed to go there to meet the Duchess of Normandy and try to pacify the situation, while making them understand that the Primacy, and by extension the Church, was not in solidarity with the archdeacon's words and behaviour.

I don't think Normandy has any desire or power to discuss diplomacy. But if that were the case, I would be sure to let you know and arrange another meeting.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

This script is regularly repeated: every time there is a problem on French soil, the prelates deal with it personally, without being supported by the Nunciature, and are eternally concerned about the language... I see that there is no solution to this problem.
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[Adelene]

The solution, dear colleague, would be for the Nunciature to make the trip. This could help move things forward. Unfortunately, Normandy has had no feedback from the Nunciature for weeks, if not months. Just like Poitou, which is demanding a response from the Nunciature before a concordat can be signed. Indeed, the Poitou authorities have taken the Nunciature's silence to mean that Rome is refusing to establish a relationship with the region.

I must confess I'm a little puzzled. What do you propose ?
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

Brother, actually the solution would be very simple: collaboration. True, I have been slow to respond lately, but I have never told anyone that I or the Church are not interested in concordats. If anyone has doubts about this, just ask, instead of taking offence.

The difficulty lies in the fact that each area seems to have a different kind of heresy problem. Therefore, it would be enough for those who know the different areas first-hand, to tell me what specificities there are.

The standard model of the concordat, updated with the military, economic and administrative things of the Church, exists and is translated, but the generic article that used to concern only the Spinozists and Averroists no longer fits.

As always, the internal problem of the Church seems to be the inability to work side by side.

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Frère, en fait, la solution serait très simple : la coopération. Il est vrai que j'ai été lente à répondre ces derniers temps, mais je n'ai jamais dit à personne que moi ou l'Église n'étions pas intéressés par les concordats. Si quelqu'un a des doutes à ce sujet, il n'a qu'à demander, au lieu de s'offusquer.

La difficulté réside dans le fait que chaque région semble avoir un problème d'hérésie différent. Il suffirait donc que ceux qui connaissent les différentes zones de première main me disent quelles sont les spécificités. Le modèle standard du concordat, mis à jour avec les éléments militaires, économiques et administratifs de l'Église, existe et est traduit, mais l'article générique qui ne couvrait que les spinozistes et les averroistes ne convient plus.

Comme toujours, le problème interne de l'Église semble être l'incapacité à travailler côte à côte.
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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

Maybe to work side by side, we already have to be reactive when something happens... Often, when we wait and we have to react, if the authorities don't do it, we are a little abandoned, we have to react and act for ourselves... or look higher for action to be taken...
But we must also avoid generalizing about French speakers and believe that we always want to do everything our own way.
Each culture is different, in diplomacy, I'm not going to teach you that, but you have to adapt to the territories, the culture, the language and the people without prejudging...
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque d'Embrun
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Adelene]

All I want is to work together. That's what I've come to propose to you, at the Pope's request. Because the situation in Normandy is on the verge of exploding and creating a new rift between the Crown of France and Rome, I have proposed that we go together to meet the Duchess of Normandy. It's been over ten days...

Normandy and the Queen of France have been waiting for much longer than ten days. They take the silence of Rome as an insult and are now demanding an apology from the Church.

All I ask is to be able to work with you, side by side. But if that's not possible, if you don't have the time, I still have to do my job and ensure peace in my territory.

I don't think anyone takes offence at the silence of the Nunciature. I simply think that certain regions feel abandoned by Rome.

As for the Concordats, it's not just a question of heresy. It's more generally a question of creating and maintaining links with the regions. It's a permanent job that requires you to be constantly on the ground.

I realise that it's too much for you to handle on your own. That's why I'm offering you my help, at least for the territories of the Primatie de France, which I know well.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

We don't seem to understand each other.

You said you proposed a meeting, and I replied that if they accepted, we would go together. Then you said that they did not want this meeting and considered silence about the concordat as disinterest, and that you would go alone.
Now you say that they waited ten days for an answer from us. I honestly don't understand you.
I was and remain available for a meeting if there is a willingness on the other side. It is I who am waiting.

As for the concordat and diplomatic activity, let us try to reason honestly.

It is obvious that one person cannot do the work of all the nuncios. The French Church has destroyed the French-speaking diplomatic structure over the years, because bishops and cardinals have always managed politics in their own way.
Now you come and tell me that I cannot do the job on my own. Where are the French nuncios and ambassadors? Where are the French bishops and cardinals who are really eager to collaborate? It has never been possible to do the real work of diplomacy together. I know very well that diplomacy is not just signing concordats, but without collaborators I cannot do it.

I can work on concordats, and I repeat to you and the entire Curia that an updated concordat model is ready and translated, but there is a need for precise information on local situations concerning heretical risks. Everything else is in place.

Now, to conclude: let us not mix two different things. The Crown wants an apology from the Church for what? If it wants it for the behaviour of the archdeaconess, you can make it as her direct superior. If it wants an apology for the concordat, then you must explain to them that the delay is not a sign of disinterest, and that you provide me with the information I need to write a paragraph and submit the proposal for the concordat.

This is collaboration.

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[Adelene]

There has been a misunderstanding Fenice. The problem of the Concordat relates to Poitou, not Normandy. These are two different issues.

As for Normandy, the Duchess has proposed a meeting, and the Queen will be present. As I haven't had any confirmation from you, I've agreed to this discussion, and I'm waiting for the meeting place before going. Obviously, I will only be discussing the case of the archdeacon and not diplomacy.

As for Poitou, you are obviously already in contact with their Chancellery.

As for the general problem you raise, unfortunately I can't talk about what was done before me. When I became Primate of France, and we were at war with the Queen, I wrote to you to ask for help and because it seemed legitimate to me that the Nunciature should be at the forefront. But you never replied. So I had to speak directly to the Queen and the Dauphin of France. It wasn't an easy exercise, but I had no choice.

I don't know where the French nuncios are. I have the impression that there's no one left to manage diplomacy in France, and I think that's very serious.

So to start on a sound footing, I'm offering you my candidacy to work on Francophone diplomacy.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Cathelineau]

The truth is that diplomacy in the French-speaking part has been dead for years. I consulted the panel on the Place de Rome and for 4 years, 2/3 nuncios were appointed, including Provence. It would be high time to clean things up and have only one nuncio per country and why not a bishop or a cardinal to make the link. Times are no longer the same, we must move forward and look at things usefully. the work of the nunciature is not just concordats but simply relationships.

That being said, the situation of the archdeacon of Rouen is not new. I have already been talking about it for several weeks and it is time that we move forward. The simplest solution is to dismiss her and apologize, because she is an eccentric character who causes us a lot of trouble even if you defend her brother Adèlene
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[Adelene]

Don't misunderstand Cathelineau. I'm not defending her, quite the contrary. But I have asked that nothing be done against her until now to ensure that the Holy Armies are properly supplied. Because she is... how shall I say it...

By revoking her we would have lost the ability to supply, but we would also have run the risk of having her turned against us. This is a serious risk for a diocese as rich as Rouen. That's why I preferred to err on the side of caution.

But I agree with you Cathelineau, about Rouen, but also about diplomacy.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

Brother Adalene, unfortunately you have not listened to me when I said you

[Adelene]

This meeting with Normandy has been confirmed and will be held on the property of Duc Conches de Ouches, this coming Sunday, after the service. As I told you, the only subject to be discussed will be the situation of Baron de Heuqueville, and the excesses of the archdeacon.

However, I can only encourage you to respond as quickly as possible to requests from Poitou. Having been there myself, I can only confirm that if nothing is done, we risk permanently losing the confidence of a province that is among our most loyal.
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Son Éminence Adelène de Kermabon - Cardinal de Saint Nicomaque de l'Esquilin - Archevêque de Bordeaux

[Fenice]

I'm working on it, Brother. Sometimes I am slow, but when I work, I work.
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