L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

PastorSelah · Inscrit le: 06 Mai 2008 Messages: 31

The Duke of Lancaster county recenlty received a proposed agreement from the URACE. It is:

tuvoria · Posté le: Mer Jan 14, 2009 3:48 am Sujet du message:

This is not a rumor. As the Apostolic Secretary for England, Scotland, and Ireland I sent them out to all the counties as an attempt to formalize relations between the Church, Rome, and the various counties. With the excpetion of things in Scotland and Ireland, most if not all of what is in these proposals are things that are already in place and happening. These where sent out as a basis to begin discussions so that we can have formal relations and work to protect the intrests of the counties and the church. We have seen to many individuals who are opposed to the church rise to postitions of leadership and work to remove we clergy from any position of influence with in the towns and the counties. I hope this helps.

Bishop Tuvoria
Apostolic Secretary to England, Scotland, & Ireland.
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PastorSelah · Inscrit le: 06 Mai 2008 Messages: 31

Thank you for your response here, and in the RK forums. That certainly helps clear the air.

latan · Cardinal Inscrit le: 05 Avr 2006 Messages: 6335

Good to see you in Rome bother Pastorselah. We're sad not to see you more often within our halls here in the city of the Holy Father.
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Oariana · Posté le: Ven Jan 16, 2009 12:30 pm Sujet du message:

Hello Bishop Turvoria,

I am currently on Wiltshire County Council and this is being met with some resistence. There is only 2 days left of this term, then a new council will come in to discuss this. However to be landed out of the blue with it..has not set it up as best as it could have been.

There was just a bald proposal, no background and no couching it in such terms as it could be easily accepted by the Council. As they too feel like you that most things in the document are already done, why the need for a formal document.

And a document is not enough...The URAC is far removed from the forums of the County I am afraid. Our Bishop previous and now, do not come to our forums...our Priests if we are favoured with one..only remains in his town. The Deacons are not encouraged to act as if that were their first job..or make sure that people know. And there is certainly no help or guidance for them. Noir making them proud to be part of a group.

What I am saying is that although people know that you exist...everyone seems to have forgotten or moved away from the Church...seeing it only as a marriage service etc. Or are opting out for other religions that offer personal contact. And yes it could be much more than that...the world was based on religion at these times...but the religion was on every corner, in every particle of existence. But it crept in...here in these halls you are important...but you are losing your importance outside of these walls.

I would grant you this proposal if I could. But like I said all religions started as a weed that continued to grow...for the most part, the seperation has called for you to at the very least start at the grass roots and build up again. For Wiltshire anhyway. Not to offer a proposal as if you had been there all along and that people have familiarity with you. There is no trust between the Church and the people anymore...there is no contact and knowledge...etc.

I am only one voice on Council..but as I am a Deaconess, and everyone knows that I rate that highly...I will do my best with this. But I don't know if I can get it through.

I believe in the Church...I do as much as I can for County and its people and I mostly do it in the name of Jah. So much so that I get ribbed about it constantly. Wink

But because I am only a Deaconess and can not go level 3 and be a Priest...it won't matter much to the feeling of the presence of the church in the very pores of our society.

One question in my bid to get this signed...have other Counties adopted this yet? If so....as is? Or did they make changes?
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Sepia · Posté le: Ven Jan 16, 2009 12:54 pm Sujet du message:

Hello Orianna

Let me answer some of your questions and make comments on some of the things you have said Bishop Turboria can then add his comments afterwards Smile

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tuvoria · Posté le: Ven Jan 16, 2009 1:44 pm Sujet du message:

I have to agree with what Sepia has stated in response to the questions. I can personally tell you that in some towns the only reason the Church has stayed active is due to the work of Deacons.

In Stafford County we are working on, I believe, the 3rd draft now of the proposal. This has been working well and the finished document will benifit us all in the end. It is indeed a shame that in so many places the clergy are not talking and supporting the efforts of the church.

While the original format may have gone out to soon in some eyes, I feel that the timing was fine. I also feel that even if this does not suceed in all counties, it is at least getting people talking and asking questions in regards to the Church and that my friends provides us with the "grass roots" opportunity to build up our church.
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Oariana · Posté le: Sam Jan 17, 2009 11:35 am Sujet du message:

I want to say thank you for your replies, this gives me a better idea on what is going on. And what I can do to help.

What I will do is take these replies back to Wiltshire. I will also reconfirm my commitment to convert some people...*winks*.

tuvoria · Posté le: Sam Jan 17, 2009 3:31 pm Sujet du message:

Zwyeic(?) is the Ambassador in Wilthsire, I believe and she may end up in some regards in one of these positions. However, if and when this Concordat passes, I plan to consult with the Bishop(s), clergy, and members of the Apostolic Secretaries office in Witlshire so that we place an active member(s) who can fully represent the church and help spread the faith.

In fact, this is something I would like to do in each area that we are able to establish a Concordat.
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PastorSelah · Inscrit le: 06 Mai 2008 Messages: 31

Blazingfast · Posté le: Sam Jan 24, 2009 2:10 pm Sujet du message:

I have seen that such agreement has not been posted in Cornwall. So is H.E. planning on writing working on the agreement with us?

We will be voting on a new Council in a few days, thus, it will be a good idea to work on it.

Please don't just impose but propose, if you know what I mean.

I would be happy to help the Apostolic staff in spreading the faith.
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Algernon · Inscrit le: 01 Fév 2007 Messages: 127

Heard one young man in Erin discussions of a pending Concordat among staff in his parish Church. He knew the diocesan Bishop as one who did in the Kingdom of England once serve on his late father's Privy Council.

'Your Eminence, Fr. Invisible,' he wrote.

'Words have I heard of a Concordat proposed, and so then I follow my letter to thee requesting baptismal rites with now this one. Please know my late father, who once as His Grace the Duke of Worcester once served, did sign a Concordat in a ceremony with the late Prince Lorudce Cardinal Lancaster. Perhaps the diocesan church, or some Aristotelian entities elsewhere, may have it in their files. I fear this among documents lost me, for while I did recover what documents I could of my fallen father, the text to this one is to me not known. I do know, however, that such a ceremony was held - and that a Concordat, however modified, may stand still as Law within the Kingdom of England's County Worcester. This, I bring, my Lord, to thine own attention as I know ye knew my father. How happy the coincidence of learning how ye now live in the land wherein I, too, dwell.'

'Most Very Sincerely Yours,

Algernon Eoghann O'Ruairc'
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