L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[landrick]

Because a lot of people living in england are traveling for luxe or money. I want to purpose some pilgrimage. I think it could be interesting for the the aristolician church to develop this pilgrimage because it represent a mean to promulgate the faith

The pilgrimage are
Pilgrimage of the Holy Cities cross of England
Exeter
Bridgewater
Salisbury
Winchester
Evesham
Worcester
Warwick
Birmingham
Lichfield
Stafford
Chester

Pilgrimage of the sailors
Fowey
Plymouth
dartmouth
Dorchester
gloucester
Worcester
Holywell
Liverpool
Egremont

if you made this second pilgrimage you become large marine pilgrim
Canterbury
Dover
Hastings
Lewes
Southampton
Dorchester
gloucester
Worcester
Holywell
Liverpool
Egremont

Pilgrimage of the farmers
Arundel
Winchester
Bridgewater
Exeter
Evesham
Coventry
Birmingham
shrewsbury
Appleby

Pilgrimage of the loggers
Keswick
Penrith
Kendal
Preston
Chester
Ludlow
Hereford
Bristol
Bath
Chard

if you made this second pilgrimage you become large loggers pilgrim
Launceston
Barnstaple
Bristol
Bath
Salisbury
Marlborough
Oxford
Reading
Sevenhoaks

if you made this third pilgrimage you become master loggers pilgrim
Chard
Bath
Bristol
Warwick
Lichfield
Derby
Stafford
Beeston



It will be intersting if some medal will be create for recognition of pilgrim wich have done a pilgrimage.
The pilgrimage will be a means to affirm the faith.
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[Dainsleif]

The problem as I see it that everyone starts at the different place. Additionally all Church way lv4 in England and Scotland (no point to add Ireland here because of no sealanes) are Bishops (with the exception of Leana and Ellsbeth) and thus not really eligible for travel.

[Ecthelion]

The other potential problem is that if priests want to start making the pilgrimages too, they will be vacating parishes.
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Priest of Dorchester
Archbishop of Canterbury
Chosen by the grace of Jah, to serve his church.

[Dainsleif]

Perhaps its a good thing then that Priests arent lv4 yet?

Although we could associate it with the tour for books thus killing two birds with one stone.

[Ecthelion]

Yes, it shouldn't affect the group of priests, but as soon as pilgrimage is suggested, some priests will want to do it, so it won't be limited to just level 4s.

I'm just being as hard on it as an idea as possible so that the opposition is clear.

I do like the potential it has, it encourages patron saints to be known, and good RP could definitely ensue.
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Priest of Dorchester
Archbishop of Canterbury
Chosen by the grace of Jah, to serve his church.

[latan]

that's a nice idea, difficult to implement maybe.

I don't know if many will do it all the way, but even priests and bishops could go a short way along their county with the rest of the pilgrims.

I'd say let's give it a chance. You must make lots of advertising beforehand, priests must me contacted and give some information/advertising on the parsih boards.
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[RIP]

[Apocas]

I think the critical statements have value; but I agree with the positive statements as well.

The difficulties of implementation can be addressed first.

I think Eminence Latan has it right that a partial pilgrimage can be possible for the priests and others. I think a parish priest could reach a few sites if they are within a a few days of his home parish.

Informing the parish priests would need to be done if we need it posted on the church board. It may be enough to announce it in the inns and just have the pilgrims inform the deacons, which be easier in some localities.

For the patron saints, let's make sure that have a good understanding of these pious ones. It many cases these don't have hagios. We would need to produce some sort of document for them, so that the priests and the pilgrims know to what they travel.

When travelling safety is a concern, so Her Sacred Rose should be well involved as well. We should hope this venture does not over exert them. A close integration in some places may be needed with them. Though in other places not so much.

Having addressed difficulties let's talk of the good opportunity here.

This will increase RP awareness and bring showcase the church well in that aspect. (Assuming it is handled well.)

It allows for the local clerks to become more involved with church outside their parish. This will foster a better sense of community and of solidarity, which is always good for the church and very much a part of her mission.

A mentioned above, this can provide an opportunity to spread knowledge. The advancing of the 'book tour' can be well interoperated into this project.

Overall I think this is a good project, it will require a good bit of work to do well, but it could well advance the cause of the Faith.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland

[Rook]

Apocas has already addressed most of my concerns on this subject. As he has already indicated, Her Sacred Rose stands ready to guard religious pilgrims and will be honored to assist in this endeavor.

One question, though: Why was Holywell not on the list of holy sites?
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Bishop of the Diocese of Llanelwy - St. Asaph
Knight Luminary of The Order of Her Sacred Rose

[Apocas]

[Rook]

[Apocas]

Actually I just noticed that Holywell is included, twice.

[landrick]

[Apocas]

[landrick]

I think that justice must be a point where the church activities must be developed. This is important to be active in this part of temporal life. More than politic activities.
Why?
Justice is lie with law. Temporale authorities try to put their law as unique. This is totly inacceptable. The only legitim law is god law. We musn't discuss about that and be unflexible. England is not the only country where church is present and local authority have a little power.

That's why we must to ask to speak in all the tribunal to say the god law and not let the temporal authorities give death penality for a rober for example. It's a non respect of god which give life. It's not to a man to take what god give. We must purpose god penality in compensation of ilegal act. pilgrimage can be one of their.
Moreover if church accept practice of law which are faith incompatible then it significate that we considere that outlaw people are not under god benevolence. In this case we doesn't our job because all people are son of god and we must open our hand to all the people (outlaw are of them). If we are not clear in this action then all the outlaw go to turn in false faith because our action is not pure. It's not because temporal authorities pocess the power that we must accept a false law.
In the same way I ask what is their legitimity to doesn't accept a concordat done for god law development. May be we can thinking to do an example in one of this county which doesn't accept our authorithie and simply take the power by all moving in it and accept the concordat. Our force could become from our capacity to don't have a property and having the capacity to take power in all county we want if our law is not accepted. I think it could be interesting to have a big group like that which live in humility without property but with goal to do of god law the unique law. I think we must develop this as an order. I will be one of if we are 100 agree to do that

Personaly I decide to systematicaly ask to speak in justice court to defend people which risk a penality death because it's clearly incompatible with faith.
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[paullo]