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[rp]About concordat with Kingdom of Serbia.

 
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MessagePosté le: Ven Sep 07, 2012 11:42 pm    Sujet du message: [rp]About concordat with Kingdom of Serbia. Répondre en citant

She received that letter from several days.
Her face is very serious.
The situation described to her wasn't the most pleasant.

According to the Cardinal Camerlengo, she decided to organize a meeting with the representatives of the Kingdom of Serbia to discuss the question face to face.

The subject was of utmost importance.

She prepared a comfortable room for discussion exspecially to give to their guests the welcome that they deserve.

"Please, let me know when our guests will arrive" said to her housekeeper.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Sep 08, 2012 8:25 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Monsignora Solex had warned her of the meeting and the topic that would be discussed.
Monsignora Fenice was very worried, she entered the room and greeted familiarly Monsignora Solex saying


My dear, I am very happy to see you, but I would rather meet for different reasons ... I hope in the help of the Most High ... we are here.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 11, 2012 12:47 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Riders passed through narrow Roman streets.
They stopped in front of one of the palaces, which was calm and modest.
The leader of the riders dismounted and approached the large wooden door. He banged on them.

Soon the door were opened by modestly dressed servant. The rider asked him to take message for the owner of the palace.


Please notify, Her Excellency the Apostolic Secretary Solex, that Vujin Zmajević has arrived, the personal representative of Popkea Jugovic, Count of Serbia and representative of Councile of the Kingdom of Serbia. I came to talk about the cancellation of Concordat between the URAC and the Kingdom of Serbia. May I ask you to come in?

The servant left in hurry. And Vujin waited patiently for an answer...
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Sep 13, 2012 10:22 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

An exchange of words between her and Monsignora Fenice.
A servant came into the room talking to Solex about arrival of her guests.

"Just a moment Monsignora, I'm going to welcome our guests"
She went away for few minutes.

"Welcome! We are happy to your arrival even though we would have liked to circumstances more pleasant than this.
I hope you had a pleasant journey."


With a friendly and kind smile, the Apostolic Secretary greeted the man before her.

"Please follow me. The Prothonotary Mons. Fenice already arrived .. I think we can start immediately, if you are ready .. or do you prefer to rest after such a long journey?"
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MessagePosté le: Lun Sep 17, 2012 2:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

The servant introduced him to Monsignorа Solex. She greeted him with kind words and invited him to accompany her.

Monsignora Solex, Apostolic Secretary, took him into the great hall where already was Monsignora Fenice, Apostolic Prothonotary. Vujin bowed to her, saying a few kind words of greeting. Monsignora Solex asked him how it went a long way from the East and is he tired.


Very good, Monsignora, I had a strong, armed escort given to me by Serbian Count, and there were no problems on the road. And we arrived last night, and I rested for our discussion today.

Offered to sit down,he set and then spoke:

Respected Monsignore, I am authorized representative of the Serbian Count Popke Jugović and of the Council Kingdom of Serbia in discussions about the Concordat. It is our Kingdoms wish to terminate this agreement.

Respected Monsignore, are you the representatives of Church of Rome who can negotiate on this matter?

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MessagePosté le: Sam Sep 22, 2012 12:36 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"Yes, we are... I'm the Vice-Chancellor of Nunciature and Mons.Fenice is the Prothonotary, so don't worry.. we're the right person for this matter so delicate"

She sits in her chair.

"Please, sit down. We can start our discussion".

She takes her document about this matter.

"First of all, i'd like to know why you arrive to take this decision. What happened? Please, i'd like much information as possible.
I had no much more informations about it..."


She smiles to him..
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MessagePosté le: Sam Sep 22, 2012 4:16 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Monsignora Fenice nods smiling too and sits comfortably in her chair, ready to listen very carefully.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Sep 28, 2012 2:22 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Vujin nod off and continueted to talk.

Respected Monsignorem I am gled to hear tht You are right persons for this talk. For several years grows number of requests from varies families and individuals in Serbian Kingdom to to abolish the Concordat with URAC.
After many months of deliberation, Serbian Councile with our Count on it’s head prepared a list of arguments and reasons why this Treaty should be ended. If you allow me I will present them to you.


Vujin show a small gesture to his servant. He came near and gave to his lord a roll of paper with signatures and seals. Vujin started to read.

Citation:
By the grace of people and nobility of Кingdom of Serbia, I, Vujin Zmajević, representative of Serbia and its Councile came to Rome to ask prelates of URAC church to terminate the existing Concordat between URAC and our Kingdom.
Believing in the wisdom and strength of our arguments, I present to the honorable Monsignores, arguments which are considered as sufficient reasons for the termination of this Treaty.

Kingdom of Serbia sees this Treaty - Concordat as the agreement between the two countries, which do not goes into church relations between URAC and the Serbian Autocephalous Church.

Kingdom of Serbia sees the following grounds as sufficient to end the Concordat:

Concordat as it is, it is not in accordance with the internal legal order of the Kingdom of Serbia, because it touches upon the sovereignty of the our Kingdom. Since the Serbian Constitution guarantees the equality of all citizens, the Concordat violate that principles. The principle of equality with the principle of religious tolerance, which is also part of the highest law of our Kingdom gives all the rights to priests of URAC church and their believers as well as the Concordat. Kingdom of Serbia is therefore bound by its own legislation to protect church organization.

The real situation in the Kingdom of Serbia is significantly changed from the time of signing the Concordat, as URAC church has accepted in the division of dioceses in our Kingdom, thanks to the archivists. Two churches now live side by side, they members are both citizens and subjects of the Kingdom of Serbia, and we as a Council of Kingdom can not allow that there is inequality between citizens, because Concordat favors URAC priests and believers.

Another important reason lies in the very suspicion that this Concordat was adopted in the nonprocedural way, as can be seen from http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=15999&start=30 threads, which is clearly evident that the procedure signing of the Concordat, was not implemented until the end. Given the arrangement of the legal system in URAC church, we believe that this alone is sufficient reason to put an end to the agreement between URAC and Kingdom of Serbia.

We believe that these reasons are sufficient, and that the respected priests of the Roman Church will accept the request of the Kingdom of Serbia on the termination of this Treaty - Concordat.



After finishing, Vujin said:

Respected Monsignore, I am ready to answer to all of yours questions regarding this document.
It is a wish of Serbian Councile to reach the end of this Treaty as soon as it is possible.


Vujin smiled and waited questions.
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