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Isabella EsmengardaBorgia



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MessagePosté le: Mer Déc 20, 2017 10:31 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Ascoltò la domanda e rispose:

"Un primo punto, essenziale nella sua semplicità, è il rispetto del Concordato esistente fra Chiesa e Impero.
Tutto è migliorabile e anche questo Concordato può essere migliorato, ma finchè è in vigore impone alle parti il rispetto di quanto sancisce. Chiesa e Impero sono due teste di uno stesso corpo, hanno un comune obiettivo e devono lavorare insieme per raggiungerlo, ciascuna delle due parti nel suo ambito specifico di interesse, senza prevaricazioni, ma in sinergia."


She listened to the question and answered:

"A first point, essential in its simplicity, is the respect of the Concordat existing between the Church and the Empire.
Everything can be improved and even this Concordat can be improved, but as long as it is in force it requires the parties to respect what is laid down. Church and Empire are two heads of the same body, have a common goal and must work together to achieve it, each of the two parts in its specific area of ​​interest, without prevarication, but in synergy."

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 12:11 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I listen carefully and make notes here and there. I then read my list that I brought with me and read it before asking again. Then I smile, wait for the right moment and ask gently:

Greetings, I am Rodrigo Manzanarez, asking questions for the Diocese of Constance as Arq Bishop and for the Holy Armies as Cardinal Constable:

1) Regarding german kingdom: The whole constitution was cancelled by surprise and immediatly. An new constitution was given, but never aligned with the german lands. And not even with the church even though the Change of the constitution changed church rights in the german area.

How will you act when becoming empress?

2) Regarding diocese of Constance. It covers several provinces and therefor has a unique possibilibily to trade goods quickly and without risk from one province to another. Some Provinces and towns and even merchants would like to use that, but also have criticans that dont want the church to use that possibility as it influences their trade power.

Would you allow such a trades in the SRING for Constance and other diocese that have such interprovincial trade possibility?

3) Hot spot Annecy, Savoy. Unfortunately we have the Diocese Geneve covering the town Geneve in outer SRING in Switzerland and Annecy in Savoy, SRING. So a permanent conflict between our church and Suisse Reformed. The Reformed trying to push into Annecy to annect it, if they just could take it.

What will be your politic here?

4) Hot Spot Modena: Maybe you know that conflict better than me. I understood Situation escalated between church and heretics and the Regent is working for the heretics and at least she is not clearly doing her job to go againt instability and bullying of her people, what the clerics belong to. They are humiliated in public without consequences. So I was told, my Italien Colleagues may please correct me or add. I doubt there is majority for war inside the church, but netherless for consequences that the clerics are treated that way without consequences.

What will be your way handling it?

5) Hot Spot Styria:

The leader of RAK Nicolaus Fugger had demanded in summer 1464 that 2 high clerics of our church, by the way both are here today, shall be slain and its a holy act and duty to do so. THose who dont will suffer. In addition he had motivated mobs to attack and burn our churches. The Regent of Styria Adam Fugger at least protected the churches from being burned, but refused in any way to go against that incitement and forced the clerics to leave Styria. He made clear he wouldnt protect them and even more wants them to leave or will ban them. Consequently he never even tried to bring his uncle to trial for having incited for murder and destruction of holy sites. It was the aim to have the RAK as only religious group left in Styria. The Regent of Styria is in the inner circle of counsellors for the Empire even though his state of excommunication and what happened in Styria is well known to the crown. The german church would not support a war in Styria, but of course a clear statement and consequences for what happened. And having a supporter of incitement of murder in the inner circle of the Empire is not acceptable.

How will you act in that regard?

6) Who are those you trust and that would in some way help you for your work as Empress? From which regions they come, which experience they have in work for the SRING and which confession they have?

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 2:01 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hull listened and asked a question.

"As you may have heard, by a suprising decision of the Pope, the nomination right of the Diocese of Geneva (Genève), which is over the Savoyan and Helvet lands, and the diocese of Salzburg, which contains the imperial capital and other German lands, have been granted to the Emperor.

Although this is surprising, as Empress, how would you handle such nominations? As defender of the faith, would you defend the Church and dialogue with us?
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 3:06 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"Here we have a clear example of what I said above, collaboration without prevarication.
Church and Empire must dialogue without doubt, but the relevance is of the Church that knows its members well and can decide best for the appointments within it. The Empire can dialogue, but in my opinion the ultimate decision belongs to the Church."

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 3:29 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

So what can you say about those nobles within the Imperial diet who condemn the Church while she does her duty ? As Empress would you let such a behaviour free ?
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 8:34 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Richard, comfortably seated, listened to everyone's interventions, taking notes.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 8:46 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"Per quanto riguarda le Vostre domande Cardinale Rodrigo Manzanarez, vado in ordine come avete fatto Voi:
• Per quanto possibile sono per limitare al minimo l’ingerenza e il libero arbitrio delle Province, quindi una nuova Costituzione che rispetti il volere dei cittadini tedeschi mi va bene, ma qualora limiti diritti della Chiesa vorrei discuterne insieme, in quanto rientra nel diritto/dovere di defensor Fidei come da Concordato.
• Qui avrei bisogno di capire quali sono le pretese di ambedue le parti e quali sono le contrarietà rispetto a quanto chiede la Chiesa. Non avrei nulla in contrario a consentire tali scambi riuscendo a tutelare ambedue le parti.
• Sul problema della Savoia, avendo adesso l’Imperatore la possibilità di imporre un Vescovo, senza dubbio ne imporrei uno legittimo e da quel che so Monsignor Rodrigue sarebbe la persona più indicata.
• Modena. Questo è un punto molto delicato. A mio avviso non è stato gestito bene fin dal primo momento, forse Sua Maestà era già indisposto in quel periodo, a mio avviso la sua gestione ha violato già i presupposti del Concordato. In quella prima fase, avrei rifiutato l’Omaggio del Reggente e avrei radunato i Nobili fedeli all’Impero e alla Chiesa e avrei autorizzato una loro presa di potere per ristabilire la situazione. Attualmente siamo in periodo pre elettorale, quindi darei la possibilità alla popolazione di ristabilire in autonomia la gestione del potere, ma esprimerei ferma condanna nei confronti della Reggente e di quanti insieme a lei favoriscono l’eresia
• Stiria. Non ho dubbi, allontanerei dall’ambito del Consiglio il Reggente della Stiria e promulgherei un comunicato di aperta condanna per i suoi atti, lasciando però aperta la possibilità alla sua “redenzione”, cioè un ravvedimento che lo porti a perseguire e condannare gli atti in questione che passi anche da una riabilitazione agli occhi della Chiesa.

Per quanto riguarda i collaboratori sto ancora lavorando su alcuni nomi, alcune cose le ho già chiare e il quadro è definito, posso comunicare la lista in seguito?"




"Regarding Your questions Cardinal Rodrigo Manzanarez, I'm going to work as you did:
• As far as possible they are to minimize the interference and free will of the Provinces, so a new Constitution that respects the wishes of German citizens suits me, but if I limit the rights of the Church I would discuss it together, as it falls under the law / duty of defensor Fidei as agreed.
• Here I would need to understand what are the claims of both parties and what are the opposition to what the Church asks. I would have nothing against allowing these exchanges succeeding in protecting both parties.
• On the problem of Savoy, having now the Emperor the possibility of imposing a bishop, no doubt I impose a legitimate one and from what I know Monsignor Rodrigue would be the most suitable person.
• Modena. This is a very delicate point. In my opinion it was not managed well from the first moment, perhaps His Majesty was already indisposed in that period, in my opinion its management has already violated the assumptions of the Concordat. In that first phase, I would have refused the Homage of the Regent and I would have gathered the Nobles loyal to the Empire and the Church and would have authorized their seizure of power to re-establish the situation. Currently we are in pre-election period, so I would give the possibility to the population to re-establish autonomously the management of power, but I would express firm condemnation towards the Regent and of those who together promote heresy
• Styria. I have no doubt, I would move the Regent of Styria away from the Council and I would send a statement of open condemnation for his actions, leaving open the possibility to his "redemption", that is a repentance that would lead him to prosecute and condemn the acts in question that also steps from a rehabilitation in the eyes of the Church.

As for the collaborators I'm still working on some names, some things I already have clear and the picture is defined, can I communicate the list later?"

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 21, 2017 8:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Arnarion a écrit:
So what can you say about those nobles within the Imperial diet who condemn the Church while she does her duty ? As Empress would you let such a behaviour free ?


"Un Nobile mai deve mancare di rispetto alla Chiesa, a maggior ragione se parliamo di un Nobile Imperiale. Mi trovassi davanti questa situazione chiederei immediati provvedimenti per punire le persone in questione: fa tutto sempre capo al Concordato, se l'Imperatatore è Defensor Fidei non può trascurare questi eventi."



"A Noble must never fail to respect the Church, even more so if we speak of an Imperial Noble. If I were in front of this situation I would ask immediate measures to punish the people in question: it always does everything to the head of the Concordat, if the Imperator is Defensor Fidei can not neglect these events."

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MessagePosté le: Ven Déc 22, 2017 11:56 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I thankfully nod to the candidate and Show, that I have no more questions and am pleased.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Déc 24, 2017 7:58 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"I take this opportunity to extend my best wishes for a Holy Christmas to everyone present."
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