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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Mar Sep 17, 2019 8:17 pm Sujet du message: |
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Bishop Hádramašmátrá was glad that the Cardinal had found similar symbols. She was a little disappointed that the yellow background could not be used.
The first looks nice. It's beautiful, but would it be possible to use green instead of black background?
Would it be possible to change colour of crosier and book to yellow (what is used in this coat of arms)? The dove and hands can remain white.
And would it be possible to add a golden olive leaf to the white dove's beak?
If so, it would be wonderful.
She was sorry that she was impatient for the coat of arms and seal, but she had duties in the diocese and soon had to go back. That's why she tried to make sure someone was doing it.
((OOC: You wrote me a private message, but no one answered me here, so I didn't know if I was forgotten. You do a great job. )) _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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Jolieen
Inscrit le: 28 Mai 2018 Messages: 3052
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Posté le: Mer Sep 25, 2019 6:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Like this?
as for your seals could you choose one of the parts? The book, the croiser, the dove or the shaking hands to be the sign that will mark your seals?
The "yellow" is "gold" and it has fixed parameters. We do follow certain color-codes that are always the same.So there are no different "yellow tones" within Coat of Arms. The colorcode is the exact same (HTML colorcode) as in your Coat of Arms it only appears different to you as the red is surrounding it here. _________________
Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches |
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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Mer Sep 25, 2019 7:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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Excellent work. That's exactly how I imagined it.
Do I have to choose only one of those symbols?
Would it be possible to create seals from the entire coat of arms (like here or here)? _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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Jolieen
Inscrit le: 28 Mai 2018 Messages: 3052
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Posté le: Mer Sep 25, 2019 8:50 pm Sujet du message: |
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You may but we advise to choose simply one - usually such "complex" forms of Coat of Arms only start to exist due to various parts - like "personal - family - fief - second fief". As with your current personal coat of arms you risk to end up with a way too small version of your personal coat of arms as soon as it will be combined with any additional part of a Coat of arms like a fief.
The basic rule of heraldry is simplicity that is why we recommand to choose only one symbol but of course we can do as well a complete version. I will request it and work now on your combined Coat of Arms. _________________
Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches |
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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Sam Oct 05, 2019 11:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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This means that it is possible to create both variants of the seal sets? If yes, I would like to have one set with the entire coat of arms and the other with the dove from the coat of arms.
If it is not possible to own both sets of seals. I would like to ask, it is possible to have a seal with the entire coat of arms, but to use only one of the symbols for additional combinations? In that case, I would like the entire coat of arms and in the case of additional combinations I would like to book the dove.
If neither of these is possible, I would like to have the entire coat of arms in the seal, because it has a great spiritual meaning for me. Each of the selected symbols represents my desire for a spiritual career: Crosier - subordination to the Church, shaking hands - helping others, dove - spreading faith, book - the desire for knowledge. All of them are equally important to me and therefore I need them all. _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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Jolieen
Inscrit le: 28 Mai 2018 Messages: 3052
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Posté le: Dim Oct 06, 2019 11:09 am Sujet du message: |
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Sister your Coat of Arms as you have requested it.
Erwann FR a écrit: | [Removed by player of Erwann per request] |
As we doubt that you really want the french version - most simply do not know the difference. We allowed us to create as well the Portuguese one.
Erwann POR a écrit: |
Code: | [img]https://i.imgur.com/0v7hjLs.png[/img][img]https://i.imgur.com/h4R6Sr6.png[/img] |
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And there is a set of seals for you.
Erwann a écrit: |
Code: | R: [img]https://i.imgur.com/h3YfcHL.png[/img]
Y: [img]https://i.imgur.com/DBF85az.png[/img]
G: [img]https://i.imgur.com/AydZScU.png[/img] |
Meaning of the 3 colors:
The red wax is to be used for private correspondence.
The yellow wax is for administrative documents, such as a decree or a public newsletter/announcement.
The green wax is used for intemporel/timeless documents, such as a marriage or baptism certificate, treaties, and laws.
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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Dim Oct 06, 2019 12:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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Excellent! Thank you very much.
Hádramašmátrá looked at the set of seals.
Hmm... You're right. The symbols on the seal are very small.
Can I ask for a demonstration of what the seal would look like only with the dove of my coat of arms? _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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erwann. Invité
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Posté le: Lun Oct 07, 2019 11:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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Monsignor?
Dove and book it is. Dove only I have seen before. No, a full dove will not do, that is way overdone in seals, thank you very much. Even this still feels familiar...
Please pick which Coat of Arms you will use (French or Portuguese).. and which set of seals you wish to keep. I will burn the copies that are not retained.
Verärgerter Erwann a écrit: |
Code: | R: [img]https://i.imgur.com/CcukgwC.png[/img]
Y: [img]https://i.imgur.com/Oc1Vm0b.png[/img]
G: [img]https://i.imgur.com/jmlA1bg.png[/img] |
Meaning of the 3 colors:
The red wax is to be used for private correspondence.
The yellow wax is for administrative documents, such as a decree or a public newsletter/announcement.
The green wax is used for intemporel/timeless documents, such as a marriage or baptism certificate, treaties, and laws.
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Nelia
Inscrit le: 17 Juin 2018 Messages: 60
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Posté le: Mar Oct 08, 2019 10:02 am Sujet du message: |
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Good day, Friends! May I request for a coat of arms and seals please?
COAT Form a écrit: |
1 ) Exact "IG" Name : Nelia
2 ) RP name and all owned nobility titles: Angèle Therese de Cumbria, Baroness of Askerton
3 ) Precise function[s] held inside the Church and a link toward the nomination act(s): Archbishop of York & Vice-Rector of the National Seminary of England, Scotland and Ireland
- If you already possess a Coat-of-Arms :
4 ) your coat in large size :
5 ) your motto (not mandatory) :
6 ) your preference between ornaments called "French" or "Portuguese":
- If you do not possess a coat-of-arms :
4 ) your favourite colors : Purple & Gold
5 ) heraldic figures, animals or, alternatively, values that are dear to you : Lion & Rock
6 ) example of a coat that you liked, quoting the source : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Coat_of_arms_of_Kevin_Joseph_Farrell_%28Cardinal%29.svg On the shield itself, may I request that the upper half be gold and the lower half be purple. On the lion, the upper half be purple and the lower half be gold. Instead of its feet on rocks, can it be standing on a single solid rock?
7 ) your motto (not mandatory) : Sursum Corda
8 ) your preference between ornaments called "French" or "Portuguese" : Portuguese
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Seal Form a écrit: |
1 ) Exact "IG" Name : Nelia
2 ) RP name and all owned nobility titles : Angèle Therese de Cumbria, Baroness of Askerton
3 ) Precise function[s] held inside the Church and a link toward the nomination act(s) : Archbishop of York & Vice-Rector of the National Seminary of England, Scotland and Ireland
4 )Personnal or Familial coat-of-arm (without your fiefdoms if any possessed) or a symbol you like : Lion & Rock
5 ) The legend you desire : +S:name:motto+ Sursum Corda
Reminders :
The red wax is to be used for private correspondence.
The yellow wax for administrative documents.
The green wax is used for intemporal documents (marriage act, sale of property...)
Signification of the forms :
The round form is used by noblemen, institutions and non-ordained clergy noble members.
The ogival form is used by the womens and the ordained clergy members. |
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Jolieen
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Posté le: Mar Oct 08, 2019 11:01 am Sujet du message: |
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The Cardinal of the British Isles heard from one of the servants within the Palazzo of San Benedetto that a clergy member of her homelands arrived. Of course she took the liberty to welcome her.
"Welcome to Rome - within your request form you mentioned your title as "Baroness of Askerton", I therefore expect you have an existing Coat of Arms corresponding to that. We would need to rightfully combine it with the personal Coat of Arms I will create for you, could you please provide it?" _________________
Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches |
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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Mer Oct 09, 2019 9:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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erwann. a écrit: | Monsignor?
Dove and book it is. Dove only I have seen before. No, a full dove will not do, that is way overdone in seals, thank you very much. Even this still feels familiar...
Please pick which Coat of Arms you will use (French or Portuguese).. and which set of seals you wish to keep. I will burn the copies that are not retained. |
Thank you, Eminence. I would like to choose a Portuguese style coat of arms.
It is a pity that the dove cannot be used alone. I would prefer shaking hands instead of a book.
Would it be possible to create a seal with a dove and shaking hands (from my coat of arms)? That's the last thing I ask. _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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erwann. Invité
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Posté le: Mer Oct 09, 2019 10:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Thank you for choosing. The Portuguese style is a lovely thing, really. It will serve you well.
As for the seals:
Hadramasmatra a écrit: | If it is not possible to own both sets of seals. I would like to ask, it is possible to have a seal with the entire coat of arms, but to use only one of the symbols for additional combinations? In that case, I would like the entire coat of arms and in the case of additional combinations I would like to book the dove. |
Having followed your wishes, Monsignor, I must now decline. It is either the first set or the second set of seals. Any additional request would have to go at the end of the line of back order work to do. Which would mean a few weeks or more, depending.
Since this work is volunteer in nature, I am certain that you understand.
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Hadramasmatra
Inscrit le: 04 Juin 2014 Messages: 102 Localisation: Brno, Margraviate Moravian, Lands of the Czech Crown
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Posté le: Mer Oct 09, 2019 11:14 pm Sujet du message: |
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She smiled too.
Of course I understand that this is volunteer work and I very much appreciate it.
But perhaps there was a misunderstanding. I didn't ask for a seal with a book and a dove. I told his eminence to Peter that I wanted to use the dove in the seal. I used the wrong words. The word "book" was synonymous with "a reservation".
I wanted to book (=reservation) only the dove on the seal. You made me a seal with the dove and the book, but I only wanted the dove.
You said:
erwann. a écrit: | Dove only I have seen before. No, a full dove will not do, that is way overdone in seals, thank you very much. |
Therefore, I ask you for the last modification. If only the dove cannot be used, please create a seal with the dove and shaking hands. I believe there will be no misunderstanding now.
I will be very grateful for that. _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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erwann. Invité
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 10, 2019 12:41 am Sujet du message: |
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He furrowed his brows.
I will accept this explanation, although I consider it fairly... how to say.. convenient?
Give me a moment.
He came back some time later and showed the 3 models.
Choose.
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Hadramasmatra
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 10, 2019 8:27 pm Sujet du message: |
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I choose the third seal.
3. _________________ Bishop in Diocese of Olomouc (Olomoucká diecéze), Czech Vice-Prefect of the Villa San Loyats (Vomitorium), Chartulary for the Bohemian Region (Congregation for the New Apostolate)
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