L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Prospero]

I still have no news from Rome (I was elected bishop of Killaloe at the end of january if my memory's right)
Our earthly lives are not eternal, and I sometimes think that it might be 'funny' if a person elected as member of the clergy died before the election became effective ingame (and I'm only talking about the death of Prospero there)

And I'm not even mentioning the time it took to have my course at the seminar validated, nearly one full real-life year ago. Maybe we could reflect on just how selective we want to make the access to priesthood ? Hmmm ?
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Apocas]

You were renominated on Monday. So it is in very much in channels again. That is as much as can be done by us right now.

I would say try to wait for a few days. Considering that a Dutch bishop that was submitted on Tuesday was installed yester-day (though not without problem); we should have good reason to believe your installation should happen relatively soon.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland

[Prospero]

Thanks for answering your eminency.
I wonder what it means to be 'renominated'
Does it mean some names had been forgotten in a nook ?
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Apocas]

We are not sure what exactly happened with your initial nomination, but as you stated, a month is a fairly long wait (though not unprecedented). It seemed that now would be a good enough time to resubmit the name for appointment.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland

[deisdre]

[Josephus]

I've just learned that Mother Eleyne, former parish priestess of An Gort, has passed away. Her remains lay is state in the church of the same town.

(The funeral services can be found in The Glen)
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From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks
[Cardinal Deacon of the British Consistory][Bishop In Partibus of Hieron][Primate of the British Isles][Parish Priest of Kendal]

[paullo]

May Mother Eleyne rests in piece.
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Bishop of Ferns
Justice of the Holy and Chivalrious Order of Her Sacred Rose
Vice-Primat for Ireland

[Prospero]

Alright.

This is becoming really nonsensical, and obviously leading nowhere.

From an rp point of view there's no reason for such delays.
From a 'game admin' point of view it's just plain carelessness.
And from a player's point of view it is just annoying. I'm going to reach level 4 without any help whatsoever from the church --practically only through preaching. That's fine with me.

I'm therefore giving up my candidacy as bishop. Sorry for all inconveniences to those who supported my application, whatever the reasons.

Please note that if I ever get 'nominated' ingame I'm resigning immediately.
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Apocas]

Ooc:

While I do not think it has gone on as long as this before, this is frankly not atypical for what happens sometimes. You have been a player of this game long enough to know that this is just the way the admins operate sometimes. You just sort of have to bear it and wait for it to come through.

I will try to find out what the issue is and when you can expect to be appointed IG. I suppose it won't make you feel any better, but you are not the only one. We have two more from us (with perhaps another two shortly), the Saint Empire has 4 waiting, and Hungary has one as well. So there are quite a few people in waiting.

Also know that your fellow bishops do support you and want you to become bishop IG quickly. I mean they would not have voted for you if they did not. So please when you are appointed IG do please stay in office. At the very least if you do resign, please first appoint yourself as the priest of the parish. That way at least some other players will be able to get something from this long wait.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland

[Prospero]

Ooc:
I know that some things are slow in this game, especially when it comes to game improvements, and so on.
I was the one who launched the petition on the french forum to have preachings reimplemented on v3, and it finally was a success...at long last (if my memory's right it took about 6 months). So yes, I know this.

However, we're not talking about a game improvement, new functionalities, or anything like that.
We're just talking about naming people to ingame functions. In other words, normal, everyday, very simple things.

Such things really shouldn't take ages. Celsius are just careless.

Rp:
Now I am also fed up because it took ages for me to simply be authorized to become a priest in Ireland. To be precise, it took 4 full months (june-october 1457) This was hassling, red tape, from some who apparently thought it unfit to have 'outsiders' (coming from other countries, with different experiences and trainings) in 'their' church.

This is why I asked just how selective you wanted our church to be.
I just wanted to help, you know. And I was deterred.
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Apocas]

Well father, there is not much I can do but agree that things often take far longer then we would desire. I suppose what little I can say is that that hassling red-tape is nearly as much of an issue for those that have certain charges as well as those that do not. It is not unnatural for some to show caution when an unknown is first encountered. In many cases that is the prudent action. However there are a few times when over-cautiousness is more of an hindrance then a help. However at the very least we learn from such situations and we become better at doing what should be done. Well, at least when we have some control over the matter.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland

[Prospero]

Mmh... diplomatic talk indeed

Maybe some of the hassling red tape could (should ?) be spared at times. Especially when the reasons are not very... visible if you see what I mean.

But enough with it. I don't want to bother you any more.

Edit: I just posted my thoughts on Forum 1/ Babel tower / Bugs
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Prospero]

Just a tiny update: no news about anything related to bishopry.

Or, as a recent french president would say:

[Prospero]

Latest (and last) update: I posted a description of the problem on 'forum 1/Je ne comprends pas' and I was named bishop of Killaloe immediately...

Maybe we could try and do the same next time there's a bishop elected ? Or write directly to Choup, who seems to be the right person ?? Who was contacted when a bishop had to be named until now ?
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Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin

[Apocas]

Actually you name went through with all the the other dozen or so backlogged bishops. Perhaps bishops have to be approved in batches of about ten now (it was previously about five)? Though it is Choup that actually does the appointment, she doesn't normally approve names from anyone but Aaron.
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Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland