L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Adonnis]

Brothers, Sisters,

It is necessary to conclude the subject started in the discussion About the Ordonnance de Paris.

The Cardinals are called upon to decide whether or not to include the Ordinance of Paris in the Index.

The vote will last for 5 days and will follow the rules laid down in the Codex Iuris Canonici.



Citation:

Article 4: The Sacred College of Cardinals, known as the Sacred College, is the highest collegial organ of the Aristotelian, Roman and Universal Church. It includes all the Cardinals, regardless of their nature or charge, and assists the Pope in the governance of the Church. Article 4.1: The Sacred College takes its decisions by consensus or by vote. Article 4.2: The votes, launched at the Sacred College, have a standard duration of 5 days. Article 4.2.1: All decisions taken at the Sacred College are made by an absolute majority of the votes cast. n.b. : Absolute majority means: - If the total number of votes cast is even: half of the total votes, plus 1. - If the total number of votes cast is odd: half of the total votes rounded up to the next higher number. - In all cases, blank votes or abstention votes are deducted from the total number of votes cast to establish the majority threshold. - A blank vote is a vote of abstention. Article 4.2.2: Any decision that is up to a vote must include the choice "abstention". Article 4.2.3: Any decision that is up to a vote which includes different choices than "agree or disagree" must obligatorily include the choice "against all proposals" in addition to the choice "abstention". Article 4.2.4: A second ballot is only organized if an absolute majority has not been reached in the first ballot. The proposals put to the vote are necessarily those which can obtain an absolute majority during this second ballot. Article 4.2.5: A third ballot is only organized if an absolute majority has not been reached in the second ballot. Only the two proposals with the most votes in the second ballot are put to the vote. The third ballot follows the rules laid down in the articles 4.2.2 and 4.2.3. Article 4.2.6: No quorum is required for the polls, unless otherwise specified in Canon Law, and except for the following cases: - the election of the Pope (if applicable) requires a quorum equal to or greater than two-thirds of the Cardinals designated as electors in that election. - the election of the Dean (see details within article 7.1). Article 4.2.7: The abstention votes are counted in the calculation of the quorum. Article 4.3: The voting time may be reduced to 24 hours in the case of an urgent measure or increased to 10 days in the case of an important measure. Article 4.4: The urgent or important nature of a measure is the responsibility of the Dean or Vice-Dean of the Sacred College.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Tymothé de Nivellus]

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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque de Bourges
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Felipe...]

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_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor

[Urbain_mastiggia]

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[Francesco_maria]

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[Pere_Setzefonts]

If it's 5 days I should be able to vote and I can't.
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Monsenyor Pere Setzefonts i D'Entença
Cardenal diaca de Sant Posseidó de Montserrat, Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona, Mossèn de Vic, Membre de l'AEH, Baró Palatí de Sant Joan de Latran, Baró d'Entença, Vescomte del Comtat d'Osona, Senyor de la Coca de Sucre

[Francesco_maria]

"Eminent brother only cardinal bishops and cardinal priests can vote. It's in the Canon Law."
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[Adonnis]

Voting closed.

Yes (Include in Index) - 77% [ 7 ]
No (Do Not Include in Index) - 0% [ 0 ]
None of the options (blank) - 0% [ 0 ]
Abstention - 22% [ 2 ]

The Sacred College of Cardinals approved the inclusion of the Paris Ordinance in the Index.

Below is the draft of the announcement. In this version of the draft, I have included the modification suggested by Sister Fenice and a brief clarification, based on dogma, of why the conceptions mentioned are at odds with dogma.

These dogmatic clarifications have been included at the request of His Holiness, the Pope.

I would like to hear everyone's opinion. I would also like an opinion from Brother Kalixtus, as Chancellor of the CDF, especially regarding the possible need for mention of another excerpt from the dogma.



Citation:

New additions to the Index We, the Cardinals of the Holy Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, reunited in our Sacred College, under the Light of Saints and Prophets and by the Grace of the Most High and of the His Holiness Sixtus IV, On March 30, 1471, the Crown of the France published the "Ordonnance de Paris" which, among other novelties, legalizes and disciplines the Free Recognition and Exercise of the Religion, the institution of the Civil Union, and the possibility of Restriction of Religious Practice. In view of the fact that such possibilities violate without appeal the Inalienable Dogma and Doctrines of the Holy Mother Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, have ruled and ordered, and by this perpetual and final edict, let us say, rule and order the interdict and inclusion in the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, of the impious text known as the "Ordonnance de Paris", published by the Crown of the France on March 30, 1471, in all its public or hidden copies or translations, concerning the provisions of the Free Recognition and Exercise of Religion, the institution of Civil Union, and the possibility of Restriction of Religious Practice. This decision of the Sacred College of the Cardinals is based on the duty to protect the Children of God from misinterpretations of his message and the Nameless Creature. It is our duty to care for the salvation of our faithful, without them being led astray by blasphemous documents steeped in heresy, worthless in the eyes of God and of the Aristotelian Community. We remind you that the texts listed in the Index are texts recognized as ungodly, suspects, heretical and scandalous, contrary to the Dogma of the Holy Mother Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, to which no Aristotelian Faithful should dare to write, publish, print or have printed, sell, buy, lend, gift or, under any other pretext, receive, keep or have kept any of the texts written and listed. In a debate with his disciple, Aristotle says that "Certainly I can, with this childish syllogism: a final cause is pure intelligence, a divinity. If on examines the order of causes and effects, one only finds a single final cause. Therefore, God is singular. I won't make you say it, dear disciple. There is only one God, the motionless mover of the world, the perfect will which is the source of any substance, of all movement. God is the cosmic finality of the universe." Aristotle's words show us that there is only one God, as the perfect final cause and cosmic finality of the universe. From this we can learn that there is only one supreme God and that He is the creator and ruler of the entire universe. This concept of the oneness of God taught by Aristotle implies that there are no divinities rivaling or equivalent to Him. The belief in one true God implies the denial of pagan deities, polytheism, or idol worship. The oneness of God is considered an absolute truth and a fundamental principle brought forth in the teachings of the Prophets and the Saints, shaping morality, worship, and the relationship of the faithful to the divine. In this way, we can understand where the idea of "Free Recognition and Exercise of Religion" contradicts Dogma, because it opens a door for erroneous and mistaken ideas about other truths, other divinities, other Prophets and other teachings to be freely spread, without any restriction, without any obstacle and with free permission to preach, as truth, ideas that will end up deceiving and ensnaring people. In this spectrum, we cannot speak of a separation of the responsibilities of the State and the Church, because the Prophet Aristotle shows how both concepts are intertwined. He tells us: "Because the ultimate good resides in the divine, without any doubt. Moreover, to identify the good, it is sufficient to examine the essence of the divine. The nature of the All Powerful is pure and perfect intelligence, the good can only be the perfection of the substance, and therefore the nature of a thing. I have taught you, dear disciple, that the nature of a thing lays in its destination, since the movement reveals the substance of the object. The good of man, which is to say that which makes him achieve the perfection of his own nature, is thus a life dedicated to ensuring harmonious conditions within the city. Now, the good of the city is all that all contribute to its equilibrium, so that the nature of the community is perpetuated. Therefore, you could say that the good of man leads to the good of the city." Likewise, the concept of Civil Union can have no other interpretation than that it goes against what is taught in the Dogma. Christos teaches us that: "When two beings share a pure love and they wish to perpetuate our species by procreation, God allows them, by the sacrament of the marriage, to live their love. This so pure love, experienced in virtue, glorifies God, because He is love and the love by which humanity exists is the most beautiful homage that can be made to him." It is important to express that this decision is not political in nature, like any decision of the Church. The Sacred Dogma is unique and inalienable, and as the guardian of the Dogma, the Church must express its position when interpreting the text known as the "Ordonnance de Paris" in confrontation with the teachings of the inalienable Dogma. Thus, the Church is open to dialogue and communication so that the text can be removed from the Index, if it is revised with the removal of the points mentioned here, considered contrary to the Sacred Scriptures. Given in Rome, on the thirteenth day of April in the Year of Grace MCDLXXI, V of the Pontificate of His Holiness Sixtus IV and III of the Age of Restoration of the Faith Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam! His Eminence Adonnis Ferreira de Queirós Silva e Sagres Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalis Decanus

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

Since when do you care what I have to say - is it carnival today?

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[Adonnis]

Why wouldn't I ask? You are the Chancellor of the CDF.

I told you this once before and I'll tell you again: I separate things.

So, I repeat: I would like to hear everyone's opinion and also your opinion.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Pie de Valence]

It is ok for me.
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"Le modernisme n'est ni une dérive, ni une horreur, ni une maladie honteuse. C'est le terreau de la rénovation de l'Eglise, la terreur des conservateurs, l'air pur qui vivifiera la foi" (Pie II de Valence)
"On n'est jamais dans le mensonge quand on prêche la paix et l'apaisement, toujours quand on prêche la haine d'autrui" (Pie II de Valence)

[Kalixtus]

What I can say during first reading - you need to say where you had the quote you use. Thats an important thing for official documents.

Second you decide to choose the prophets to explain the decision of the curia majority. You know that they are less strong than for example the archangels or God himself. You should think about that if you prefere to use them.

Remember that the dogma has a hierarchy even if so many cardinals are used to interprete all of it linear.

I tell this cause God was talking about love and Gods words are usually higher.
The most important thing in this case is the question of religion and not the civil union.

And here I have the feeling we should definetely use God as reference and not the Prophet, even the choosen ones of Aristotle are very strong by itself. I would use the part where the temple of the ancient gods got destroyed to mark that God don't allow other Gods.

I have to make one thing clear - don't forget that Spinozism and Averroism are allowed as tolerated religions. Even if following their doctrine will lead to hell.

We need to be carefully in the wording. I am also not completly aware on what kind of God Spinozism and Averroism are into. Maybe they follow our God but have different doctrine. The problem of those religions are - they have no clear rules and are full of problematic characters so that an interreligious communication is not possible so far.

Anyway you should keep it in mind, Dean, if you want to include and exclude sects, heresy and other religions as well as those who are not following any religion and for them - in special - those civil union are made.

Thats for the first reading so you get a glimpse of my thoughts so far. I will read it a few more times befor i made a final decision what my opinion is. But maybe you get a taste of changing stuff and make things concrete, Dean.

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[Adonnis]

I thank you, brothers.

I will write a new draft and present it here.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

Kalixtus nods with his head and decided to look outside the window till this draft is presented.

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[Adonnis]

Here is the draft.

I have included the references mentioned and the excerpt mentioned by Cardinal Kalixtus.



Citation:

New additions to the Index We, the Cardinals of the Holy Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, reunited in our Sacred College, under the Light of Saints and Prophets and by the Grace of the Most High and of the His Holiness Sixtus IV, On March 30, 1471, the Crown of the France published the "Ordonnance de Paris" which, among other novelties, legalizes and disciplines the Free Recognition and Exercise of the Religion, the institution of the Civil Union, and the possibility of Restriction of Religious Practice. In view of the fact that such possibilities violate without appeal the Inalienable Dogma and Doctrines of the Holy Mother Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, have ruled and ordered, and by this perpetual and final edict, let us say, rule and order the interdict and inclusion in the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, of the impious text known as the "Ordonnance de Paris", published by the Crown of the France on March 30, 1471, in all its public or hidden copies or translations, concerning the provisions of the Free Recognition and Exercise of Religion, the institution of Civil Union, and the possibility of Restriction of Religious Practice. This decision of the Sacred College of the Cardinals is based on the duty to protect the Children of God from misinterpretations of his message and the Nameless Creature. It is our duty to care for the salvation of our faithful, without them being led astray by blasphemous documents steeped in heresy, worthless in the eyes of God and of the Aristotelian Community. We remind you that the texts listed in the Index are texts recognized as ungodly, suspects, heretical and scandalous, contrary to the Dogma of the Holy Mother Aristotelian, Universal and Roman Church, to which no Aristotelian Faithful should dare to write, publish, print or have printed, sell, buy, lend, gift or, under any other pretext, receive, keep or have kept any of the texts written and listed. In a debate with his disciple, Aristotle, when he taught about the Unity of God, says that "Certainly I can, with this childish syllogism: a final cause is pure intelligence, a divinity. If on examines the order of causes and effects, one only finds a single final cause. Therefore, God is singular. I won't make you say it, dear disciple. There is only one God, the motionless mover of the world, the perfect will which is the source of any substance, of all movement. God is the cosmic finality of the universe." Aristotle's words show us that there is only one God, as the perfect final cause and cosmic finality of the universe. From this we can learn that there is only one supreme God and that He is the creator and ruler of the entire universe. This concept of the oneness of God taught by Aristotle implies that there are no divinities rivaling or equivalent to Him. The belief in one true God implies the denial of pagan deities, polytheism, or idol worship. The oneness of God is considered an absolute truth and a fundamental principle brought forth in the teachings of the Prophets and the Saints, shaping morality, worship, and the relationship of the faithful to the divine. In this way, we can understand where the idea of "Free Recognition and Exercise of Religion" contradicts Dogma, because it opens a door for erroneous and mistaken ideas about other truths, other divinities, other Prophets and other teachings to be freely spread, without any restriction, without any obstacle and with free permission to preach, as truth, ideas that will end up deceiving and ensnaring people. In this spectrum, we cannot speak of a separation of the responsibilities of the State and the Church, because the Prophet Aristotle shows how both concepts are intertwined. In his lesson on Morals, he tells us: "Because the ultimate good resides in the divine, without any doubt. Moreover, to identify the good, it is sufficient to examine the essence of the divine. The nature of the All Powerful is pure and perfect intelligence, the good can only be the perfection of the substance, and therefore the nature of a thing. I have taught you, dear disciple, that the nature of a thing lays in its destination, since the movement reveals the substance of the object. The good of man, which is to say that which makes him achieve the perfection of his own nature, is thus a life dedicated to ensuring harmonious conditions within the city. Now, the good of the city is all that all contribute to its equilibrium, so that the nature of the community is perpetuated. Therefore, you could say that the good of man leads to the good of the city." The teachings of Aristotle, the Prophet chosen by God since childhood, follow the lessons brought by God Himself. After all, we need to remember that, as we learned in the "Paganism", found in the Book of Prehistory, when he was still a five-year-old child, Aristotle witnessed the moment when lightning struck the temple of Apollo, and then God himself told Aristotle that: "This is what my power holds for the idols that are honored as gods. Seek a single God, search for Truth and Beauty, and then a day will come when everything will be restored.", according to the lesson "The Revelation", found in the Vita of Aristotle. Likewise, the concept of Civil Union can have no other interpretation than that it goes against what is taught in the Dogma. In his lesson on marriage, Christos teaches us that: "When two beings share a pure love and they wish to perpetuate our species by procreation, God allows them, by the sacrament of the marriage, to live their love. This so pure love, experienced in virtue, glorifies God, because He is love and the love by which humanity exists is the most beautiful homage that can be made to him." It is important to express that this decision is not political in nature, like any decision of the Church. The Sacred Dogma is unique and inalienable, and as the guardian of the Dogma, the Church must express its position when interpreting the text known as the "Ordonnance de Paris" in confrontation with the teachings of the inalienable Dogma. Thus, the Church is open to dialogue and communication so that the text can be removed from the Index, if it is revised with the removal of the points mentioned here, considered contrary to the Sacred Scriptures. Given in Rome, on the thirteenth day of April in the Year of Grace MCDLXXI, V of the Pontificate of His Holiness Sixtus IV and III of the Age of Restoration of the Faith Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam! His Eminence Adonnis Ferreira de Queirós Silva e Sagres Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalis Decanus

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real