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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mar Mai 02, 2023 5:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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Than we should do it like Roderic suggested. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12353
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Posté le: Mar Mai 02, 2023 6:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, I agree. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 4021
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Posté le: Mar Mai 02, 2023 6:37 pm Sujet du message: |
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"It's amazing how people respond immediately when it comes to touching their personal titles. She was so indignant that they had given her diocese IP to another that she kept silent for years waiting for someone to come and ask her for information.
These people are terrible! However, I too think that the proposal of card. Roderic is good." _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mar Mai 02, 2023 9:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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We must be secure, my friend - we will get into trouble if we use the bad language. But we both know you are right. _________________
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Richelieu1 Cardinal


Inscrit le: 16 Nov 2007 Messages: 3017
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 04, 2023 12:41 am Sujet du message: |
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Bonjour à tous.
Merci de me consulter.
Étant donné l'erreur, ne persévérons pas. Notamment si Catriona y tenait.
Rendez Éphèse à Catriona.
Hello everyone.
Thank you for consulting me.
Given the error, let's not go on. Particularly if Catriona was so inclined.
Give Ephesus back to Catriona. _________________
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 04, 2023 11:51 am Sujet du message: |
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Thank you, Cardinal Ludovi, for your understanding; it is a very generous gesture on your part towards Monsignor Catriona.
I am truly sorry that this administrative mistake has had these repercussions. We are indeed working in the Chancellery to update the registers and to prevent this kind of problem from occurring in the future. I apologise on behalf of my congregation.
Do our brother cardinals agree to keep Ephesus for Catriona and grant a new one for his eminence de Sabran?
Is there a particular bishopric you would like to replace Ephesus, your eminence?
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Pontifical Chancery
List of In Partibus Infidelium Episcopal seats - Up to date 05.11.1470
A
- Abaradira
- Abari
- Abbir Germaniciana
- Abbir Maius
- Abdera
- Abercornia
- Abernethia
- Abidda
- Abila in Palaestina - Mgr Neocor depuis le 25 mai 1458
- Abila Lysaniae
- Abitinae
- Abora
- Abrittum
- Absa Salla
- Absorus
- Abthugni
- Abula
- Abydus
- Abziri
- Acholla
- Acra
- Acropolis- S.Em. Cathelineau depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Adran
- Adrasus - Adrasena - Msg Burrianer depuis le 8 avril 1464
- Aela
- Aemona
- Agathopolis - Tymothée de Nivellus depuis le 29 janvier 1467
- Alinda
- Alexandrie, Patriarcat - S.Em Aaron de Nagan depuis le 28 janvier 1467
- Altiburus
- Antiphrae
- Amida degli Armeni
- Amphipolis
- Amorium
- Amycles
- Andrinople (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Anthedon
- Antinoë - Mgr Elequest van Staveren depuis le 13 juin 1464
- Antioche, Patriarcat NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Antiphellus
- Apollonie
- Apollonis - Navigus depuis le 23 août 1466
- Aquae Novae in Proconsulari - Heldor depuis le 8 janvier 1467
- Aquae Thibilitanae
- Arba
- Arath
- Arcadiopolis
- Arsamosata
- Aréthuse
- Athènes, Archidiocèse - S.Em. Nicolino depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Augurus
- Augusta - Valentino Borgia depuis le 17 février 1467
- Augustopolis
- Auria
- Avara
- Avioccala
B
C
- Caesariana - Francesco Maria Sforza [ Francesco_maria ] depuis le 21 avril 1469
- Camaco
- Camuliana
- Canatha
- Canope - Lyonnis d'Appérault depuis le 21 février 1464
- Capsa
- Carthage, Archidiocèse - S.Em. Anguillerusée depuis le 17 janvier 1456, renouvelé le 29 mars 1457
- Castoria
- Cataquas
- Césarée, Archidiocèse - S.Em. Cesarino depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Césaropole
- Chalcédoine
- Chunavia
- Chytri
- Claudiopolis
- Constantinople, Patriarcat NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Corinthe
- Cresima
- Cursola
- Curubis
- Cybistra
- Cydonia
- Cyrène - Mgr Huon depuis le 29 mars 1457
D
- Damas
- Debra
- Diana
- Doberus
- Dora
- Dorylaëum
- Druzipara
E
- Egée
- Eguga
- Elatea
- Eleuthéropolis
- Éphèse- S.Em. Richelieu depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Eschinas
- Euménie
F
G
- Garba
- Gauriana
- Gemellae in Numidia
- Germanicopolis
- Germanicia
- Gratianopolis
H
- Halmiros
- Halicarnasse
- Hébron - Martin Tamarre depuis le 29 janvier 1467
- Héliopolis - S.Em. Endymion d'Abbadie depuis le 8 avril 1464
- Hephaestus
- Hemeria
- Hemesa
- Héraclée
- Hermopolis Parva
- Hieron - Josephus depuis le 23 août 1466
I
- Ioannina- S.Em. Nicollielo depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Isaura
- Isinda
- Iuliopolis
J
- Constantinople, Patriarcat NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Joppé - Alexande Farnèse depuis le 29 janvier 1467
L
- Lamia - Jolieen Rose depuis le 12 février 1467
- Lampsaque
- Lamsorti
- Laodicée en Phrygie (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Laodicée de Syrie (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Lebessus
- Leontopolis in Augustamnica
- Limyre
M
- Malliana
- Macriana in Mauretania
- Macriana Minor
- Marciana
- Marcopolis
- Marida
- Maronia
- Martyropolis Archidiocèse - S.Em. Rodrigomanzanarez depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Maximinopolis
- Medea
- Medeli
- Mégare
- Melitene
- Mesarfelta
- Metelis
- Mira (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Mons in Numidia
- Mosynopolis
- Myriophytos
- Mytilène (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
N
- Naraggara
- Nazareth Archidiocèse - S.Em. Arnarion depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Nazianze
- Néocésarée (Diocèse)
- Nicée, Archidiocèse - S.Em. Rehael depuis le 29 mai 1462
- Nicives
- Nisibe
- Nitrie
O
- Obbi
- Olenus
- Ollone- S.Em. NReis depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Opus
- Orthozia
- Ottocium
P
- Parion
- Parténia
- Patras (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Petra - S.Em. Profeta depuis le 2 juin 1459
- Petra in Palaestina
- Pharbaethus
- Philadelphie en Lydie
- Philippopolis d'Arabie
- Pogla
- Polymartium
- Pomaria
- Pompeiopolis
- Privata
- Prusias ad Hypium
- Ptolemais- S.Em. Vanyar depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Pulcheriopolis
R
- Reperi
- Ressiana
- Retimo
- Rhesaina - Mgr Nono18 depuis le 2 mars 1464
- Rhinocolura
- Rhodes - Mgr Bardieu depuis le 21 janvier 1463
- Rota
- Rusadus
S
- Saldae
- Samos
- Samosata
- Scardona
- Sebaste
- Seleucia Pieria
- Séleucie- S.Em. Richard.de.cetzes depuis le 5 mai 1466
- Succuba
- Side
- Sidon - Mgr Bibineloden, depuis le 9 septembre 1455
- Sidyma
- Sila
- Simidicca
- Sinope - S.Em. Philipdikingsbridge depuis le 16 février 1463
- Sozopolis
- Strauropolis
- Suas
- Summa
- Summula
- Synnada en Phrygie
T
- Tacapae
- Tagase
- Tagaste
- Talaptula
- Tanais
- Tarse
- Telmissus
- Termae Himerae
- Thagaste
- Tharona
- Thèbes Archidiocèse
- Themisonium
- Thennesus
- Thermopyles
- Thibaris
- Thizica
- Thibilis
- Thubursicum
- Tigillava
- Tingaria
- Tinum
- Titiopolis
- Tlos
- Tibériade, (Archidiocèse) NON-ATTRIBUABLE/NON-ATTRIBUTABLE
- Tilopolis
- Tisedi
- Traianopolis in Rhodope
- Tralles in Asia
- Tricomie
- Tripoli - S.Em. Stex86 depuis le 11 mai 1464
- Tripolis in Phoenicia - S.Em. Maddel depuis le 05 mars 1465
- Trisipa
- Trofimiana
- Tubulbaka
- Tyr - S.Em. Ivrel depuis le 4 novembre 1463
U
V
- Vaga
- Vallis
- Villa Nova - Mgr Tadeus de Montfort-Vendôme depuis le 18 février 1463
- Vinda
- Vita
Z
- Zaba
- Zallata
- Zattara
- Zorolus
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__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor |
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pamelita Cardinal


Inscrit le: 15 Oct 2013 Messages: 3872 Localisation: Ducato di Milano
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 04, 2023 10:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | Do our brother cardinals agree to keep Ephesus for Catriona and grant a new one for his eminence de Sabran? |
I agree _________________
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Adonnis Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Jan 2018 Messages: 5235 Localisation: Monte Real/Leiria - Palazzo Taverna/Roma
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 04, 2023 11:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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I was late to the debate, but Cardinal Roderic's suggestion goes along with what I also believe is the best option.
I am glad that, with the agreement of Cardinal Richelieu, this matter can be resolved.
Roderic_ a écrit: | This is a bureaucratic error. I therefore believe that the phrase "first in time first in law" should apply to this situation. I am therefore of the opinion that Catriona should keep this diocese, while Richelieu should be given a new one.
Now, if my brothers want to do a new investigation on who is active or not, it should be done separately to this situation. For while one issue is linked to the other, one affects two people and the other will affect probably ten or more. |
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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
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Roderic_ Cardinal

Inscrit le: 31 Mar 2020 Messages: 2147 Localisation: Rome et la Principauté de Catalogne
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Posté le: Ven Mai 05, 2023 3:22 am Sujet du message: |
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I agree _________________
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Tymothé de Nivellus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 22 Nov 2017 Messages: 6837 Localisation: Cardinal Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique
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Posté le: Ven Mai 05, 2023 9:03 am Sujet du message: |
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The same. _________________
Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque de Bourges
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Ven Mai 05, 2023 1:55 pm Sujet du message: |
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Kalixtus began to wonder why this meaningless administrative topic had to be discussed in the Curia. Hadn't they just recently wanted to banish important topics like the excommunication of a head of state to the consistories?
Now one discusses at the tea party whether an administrative error is to be repaired and how.
Ancient Rome fell apart because of its decadence - it seems that we have reached this saturation again. _________________
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Ven Mai 05, 2023 2:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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While Felipe waited to hear the proposals of his brother cardinals and for the Dean to decide whether or not this decision needed to be voted on, the Hispanic cardinal underlined in red the canonical text on In Partibus bishoprics. Then, out of boredom, he folded the paper into the shape of a bird, or something similar, and threw it into the air, landing at the feet of the German cardinal.
Book 2 : Episcopacy, priesthood and religious constituencies a écrit: |
Article 8: The In Partibus bishops are honory bishops appointed by the Sovereign Pontiff or the Sacred College in his name on the possible proposal of an episcopal assembly of the primacy in which they reside.
Article 6.1: Only death or the Curia can remove or change the title of an In Partibus. If the bishop In Partibus takes the direction over a diocese or an archdiocese on which his episcopal authority is effective the title is automatically suspended.
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Ven Mai 05, 2023 3:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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Kalixtus took the flyer, saw the message and had to smile inside, it was always a special art of the children to make him laugh especially when they marked the essential parts themselves.
He folded an origami from the paper and placed it on Felipe's table.
Even in folding paper I am superior to you. But it is wonderful that you are developing. Work diligently and pray diligently. There may be a very Benedictine approach in you. Be careful that this young shoot does not wither prematurely.
Kalixtus' words did not fail to have an effect.
I wish the Spanish cardinal - a marvelous day.
The smile Kalixtus revealed was easily understood as baring his teeth. _________________
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Dim Mai 14, 2023 4:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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I would like to ask the Dean for a vote for or against granting our brother Cardinal a new diocese In Partibus. Or whatever is deemed appropriate according to the statutes and the functioning of the Sacred College.
Since His Eminence Ludovi has not pronounced on which diocese he would like to have, and in the event that this vote is successful, can I choose the new diocese from the list? _________________
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Adonnis Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Jan 2018 Messages: 5235 Localisation: Monte Real/Leiria - Palazzo Taverna/Roma
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Posté le: Dim Mai 21, 2023 11:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
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