L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Kalixtus]

For me, the use and glorification of the late Cardinal is merely the cherry on the cake. The whole process the whole act in itself is an affront and must indeed be undone. It would also be if he had named the room after Aristotle or Christos, because he has no right to do so.

The edict is not a right of the Dean of the Sacred College who maintains here a function primus inter pares and therefore has no power option and must legitimize every decision by the Curia or the Pope.

The legitimation does not exist!

Furthermore, I agree with the opinion of Sister Fenice.

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[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

I think that the chosen name is suitable and also that the idea of ​​naming an office in his name is a nice way to keep his memory alive.
What I disagree with is the method.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Arcivescovo Metropolitano de L'Aquila
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Roderic_]

My reaction would have been the same, regardless of the name chosen.
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[Kalixtus]

We see, then, that despite the words of several cardinals, Adonnis continues to see himself in a state of illegal expansion of his powers.

As recently from his letter to the Cardinals:



Citation:

Brothers, We have an important vote here: https://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=88043 Your participation is a must. We count on your participation. Att. A.



I don't know about you, my friends, but the last time I checked it was the Pope who can give us orders not the Dean.

Am I mistaken, or have I missed a change of power at the top of the Church here?

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[Felipe...]

Kalixtus, relax.

Maybe the words used by the Dean could be a source of inspiration for one of your Greco-German tragedies, but apart from your usual histrionics, I am absolutely sure that the Dean only wanted to remind our brother cardinals that participation in the curia is more than a right, but a moral obligation for the members of this assembly.

Apart from putting a golden sign with the name of your late political opponent on the door of an office and a reminder of collegial participation, what indisputable evidence do you have to accuse our dean of an alleged Vatican coup d'état? I ask you, because your attempt to create instability in the bosom of our Holy Mother Church seems a little pathetic, compared to what you have done in recent weeks. Too much nervousness in Trier to pay your imperial debts.
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_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor

[Francesco_maria]

"I believe that Cardinal Felipe's words are offensive, not only towards Cardinal Kalixstus (who is used to these things), but towards all cardinals. We are all legitimately authorized to ask questions and clarifications especially towards the one who is chosen to be the coordinator of the activities of the Sacred College (not the head).
I have full respect and brotherly love for Cardinal Adonnis with whom I have worked with pleasure in the New Apostolate but some recent choices leave me perplexed.

No one has any problem with the memory of the late Cardinal Gropius but it is the methods that are highly questionable.

Imagine a faithful (truly faithful) residing in the Empire or in the Kingdom of France who is concerned about the wounds that have opened between the institutions and the Holy Church and expects words of comfort while seeing that "The Pope, the Sacred College etc" take care to make an announcement complete with an almost dogmatic explanation of why it was decided to change the name of an office. Beautiful image of the Church!
is this our mission?

Of course, urging the cardinals to participate is right. But maybe the methods are wrong. In my small Episcopal Assembly I periodically hear from the bishops, not only to remind them of the discussions and commitments in Rome but also to find out how they are, what projects they are carrying out and what difficulties there are.
This should be done, it takes time, it takes patience and it takes consistency.

it is true the cardinals have obligations that they must respect and it is right to remind them of this. There are many things to fix, many things to improve but above all the work of the Sacred College must be implemented and improved.

Cardinal Kalixstus (who does not need defenders) will certainly have a way of proposing himself that is not always fraternal and loving. But he is always attentive, precise and shows, albeit with "colourful" words, an undisputed love for the Holy Aristotelian Church.
In our discussions we often get lost behind his ways instead of staying on the real topic. He is undoubtedly a "diva" but it is this continuous focus on his style and not on his content that makes him so. You write the Greco-German tragedy to him. The sooner you get rid of this thing, the sooner we'll get back to serious work in these halls."
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[Adonnis]

Pipe, Kalixtus knows that I never used "must" as a coercive expression to ask a cardinal to vote or discute.

He is just stupid and idiotic, not dumb or foolish. He knows that something happened.

On the other hand, he has seen that no matter how much he shakes himself like an angry gazelle, he is not able to intimidate me. This annoys him, because he harbors the idea that he is intimidating and very, very dangerous.

I was in a hurry and used the service of a translator. I asked the translator to write "indispensable", not "must".

So to those cardinals who truly believed that I tried to coerce them, I apologize. There was an error in the translator and I would never try to coerce anyone to come here.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

So obviously we are not even sure of the Dean's own words, he now has to hire a translator to make us unworthy cardinals blessed with his presence.

Thus, important correspondence to the cardinals is now no longer written by yourself but delegated by third parties, uncontrolled, unfiltered, and undoubtedly erroneous.

Does this also apply to other aspects of your duties, Dean? Or are you now trying to drag your excessive demands and inactivity further until the next mistakes appear?

Or is it your strategy now to discredit me while I list the grievances that surround you like flies to a dunghill?

Wasn't it you and your friend Felipe who wanted to make sure here that insults and discredits belong abolished?

Straight with you two I see nothing at all of it. Not that I am surprised, you both went to the school of your friend Gropius, who had a wonderful habit - to call all those he disliked subhumans. I'm afraid following his line of thought, his two most ardent disciples have decided to take on the legacy of Gropius. My most sincere congratulations on this. I make no distinction in such fascist and misanthropic categories. I keep my integrity and above all I don't run after any idol like a groupie.

With you Adonnis, I am now Stupid and idiotic for listing your faults.
With Felipe I am now Theatrical and cause instability because I list your buddy's faults.

You two know what this is called - bullying. It's as simple as that.

It is telling that you have banded together to mask your mistakes instead of complying with the wishes of the college.

I must insist again, Dean. Have you changed the name of the Office of the Dean of this College again?

If so, you should announce this in writing to make up for the error and to comply with the wishes of the body and to pacify the illegality of the action.

In addition, I strongly recommend to stop the insults and bullying, Cardinal Felipe and Cardinal Adonnis. If you do your jobs correctly, I have no reason to doubt it.
Abstinence, meanwhile, is not the way to do a job correctly. That is true for both of you. Despite your limited workload, I have the feeling that you are both terribly overworked. You should do something about it.

If you need help with this, I am available to you, as I so often am, with advice and assistance. Of course, only within the canonical possibilities.

If you cover up your mistakes, I will notice it and you will have to expect that I will always denounce them. Here in the College and for that you should thank me, because a true divider, a true danger for the stability of the Church would come from me if I would discuss these issues publicly.
But to cover up and ignore these faults, Cardinal Felipe, is a serious danger to the integrity and stability of the Church. Because you seem to want to hide or cover up injustice to suit your clientele. Think about it calmly during your next period of abstinence.

You, Dean, are accountable to this body and to the Pope.

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[Felipe...]

Trying to sweeten your image in front of the cardinals and change your usual shark-like behaviour to innocent white-feathered turtledove, even with the help of a stagehand, is not going to work for you, Kalixtus. We all know you too well.

You are a great theologian, and when you work you are a great asset to Rome. It is a pity, however, that everything is ruined when you open your mouth to slander your colleagues, inside and outside these walls.

If what you want is to undermine Adonnis' popularity in order to divide the opinion of the cardinals and to tempt the position of Dean, your oft-frustrated dream, in a few months' time for you or for Francesco, I think you will have to try a little harder and be more convincing.

Regarding the debate started before the outbursts, honestly, I don't care about the name of an office, even if it was not done properly. I remain neutral on this issue.
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_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor

[Kalixtus]

@Adonnis

[Francesco_maria]

"Maybe we let ourselves get a little carried away by this situation. I think colliding is the least appropriate thing at the moment. The fact remains that in the choice made by Cardinal Adonnis there is perplexity on the part of many members of this Sacred College and I think it should be reviewed.

But in addition to this, I believe that we can all commit ourselves, myself first, to tone down and work with greater serenity. Let's use the forces to fight the enemies of the Church... which is better!"
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[Kalixtus]

If this has not already been done, Dean Roderic, I ask that the Dean's office be restored to its proper state and that the naming to glorify the late Cardinal Gropius Della Scalla be rectified OR that a proper vote be called on the matter.

An adjustment by Cardinal Adonnis was improper and an affront to this institution. I ask that this be cured now.

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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

Personally I don't care about the name of a room! Adonnis wanted to pay tribute to someone he greatly esteemed.
But if one day we had to name a room Kalixtus, I admit that I would act exactly as you do, that said, comparing Gropius to Kalixtus,... no, let's remain respectful of the homage paid to Gropius, forgive these bad words...

A Kalixtus room, with a hyena's head above the door... shall we start the vote?
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque de Bourges
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Kalixtus]

My esteemed Cardinal de Nivellus, you will not live to see the day when anyone names a room after me, because you will undoubtedly be recalled by the Lord much sooner than I will.

But do not be sad. If someone were to name a room after me, it would be called Saint Kalixtus, I would consider it worthless below that.

Kalixtus smiled in amusement.

But joking aside, we all agreed that this behaviour of Adonnis's was, of course, unacceptable. You couldn't know, of course, since you disappeared into a fog of inactivity or were otherwise absent during the debate. There were certainly more important things than doing your job.

The room is not a private office of the cardinal but an office of the dean, a temporary job. To rename it would be a matter for the curia to decide. But Adonnis pissed on such a decision and thus on all the cardinals here. He didn't care.

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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

Saint Kalixtus... stop, you're going to kill me before my time with your jokes... I'm dying of laughter...

I really don't care if a Dean decides the name his office will have, that's not what interests me, there is enough work and real subject to deal with.
I am not questioning the subject in question nor the debate you had during my "absence"... I am questioning the degree of the discussion, on the one hand unimportant, on the other hand this eternal habit of opening debates as stupid as that...
Whose idea was this change in the name of the premises? because frankly, we can also debate the color of the walls... if that's what's important today, I didn't miss anything during my "absence"...
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque de Bourges
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal