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Should the Ordinance of Paris be included in the Index? |
Yes (Include in Index) |
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No (Do Not Include in Index) |
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None of the options (blank) |
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Abstention |
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12331
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Posté le: Mer Juin 14, 2023 7:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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I received the letter and I was wondering... does the Nunciature respond in the name of the Curia? or...? _________________
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Adonnis Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Jan 2018 Messages: 5209 Localisation: Monte Real/Leiria - Palazzo Taverna/Roma
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Posté le: Dim Juin 18, 2023 11:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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I also received this letter.
I think the Nunciature can respond on behalf of the Curia. What do you think, sister?
Fenice a écrit: | I received the letter and I was wondering... does the Nunciature respond in the name of the Curia? or...? |
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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real |
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12331
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Posté le: Dim Juin 18, 2023 11:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, I think so, do our Brothers and Sisters agree? this was my question. _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 1:41 am Sujet du message: |
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The Nutiatura does not speak on behalf of the Curia, it is a papal institution and speaks for the Holy See.
But of course the document can have the signature of both the Nutiatura and the Dean and be approved by the Curia, provided the drafting comes from one of you two I am sure we will all have a good work to read. _________________
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Roderic_ Cardinal

Inscrit le: 31 Mar 2020 Messages: 2147 Localisation: Rome et la Principauté de Catalogne
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 4:51 am Sujet du message: |
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In my opinion, it should be the Nunciature alone that should respond. Simple, it was an endorsement of the Roman Church, not the Curia. _________________
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heldor Cardinal


Inscrit le: 18 Nov 2008 Messages: 2705 Localisation: Venezia - Italia
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 8:29 am Sujet du message: |
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brothers.. why do you want to complicate your life?
The Nunciature is the diplomatic corps of the Church and has always made diplomatic agreements with the various states! He negotiates, tries to make the Rulers or Councilors understand where they have made any mistakes.
Then it is up to the Holy Father and the Curia, under his wise guidance, to give the diplomatic guidelines and endorse, or not, the agreements made. But the signature of the Chancellor of the Nunciature, or of the local Apostolic Nuncios by his delegation, has full force on diplomatic treaties.
This has always been, at least since Sistus reigns, a period that did not begin the day before yesterday, is it not? _________________ +S.Ecc.Ill.ma frà Tebaldo Foscari detto Heldor il randello
Cardinale Vescovo Emerito di San Domenico in Burgos
Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
Patriarca Metropolita di Venezia
Arcivescovo Sine Cura di Gorizia
Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
Conte di Sezze
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3901
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 10:23 am Sujet du message: |
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"We're arguing in vain... and wasting time as usual. If there is consent, this letter of thanks should be sent to this province. We already have few faithful if we don't even consider those who show us their fidelity in these stormy times, what image of the Church do we give?
Whether it is the Nunciature or the Dean of the Sacred College, the only thing that is fundamental is to say that the Holy Church sincerely thanks them and blesses them always encouraging them to remain faithful to the Dogma and the True Faith." _________________
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 11:54 am Sujet du message: |
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I think it is appropriate that the Nunciature should reply to Gascony, but as Brother Francesco says, it should be done as soon as possible, cause our slowness is often perceived as inattention. _________________
_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor |
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 1:00 pm Sujet du message: |
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Aye time is ticking - but i just don't want to hear the nuciature is working for the curia that is not true and must be corrected. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12331
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 7:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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Brother Kalixtus, the Nunciature has already written on behalf of the Church and of the Curia on other occasions, why not now? and what do you think would be the right way?
Other advices? _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 8:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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both signed - dean and you. As i said.
The Nuciature can do things by itself without the consensus of the Curia. You are in need to fulfil the wishes of the Pope not of the Curia you are not the servent of the Curia.
The Dean speaks for Curia thats his job.
This case is crossing both areas so it can be done together - than everything is d'accord. _________________
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Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia Cardinal


Inscrit le: 28 Nov 2018 Messages: 1750 Localisation: In viaggio
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Posté le: Lun Juin 19, 2023 10:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree with the words of Cardinal Felipe.
_________________ + Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V
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Sixtus Pape


Inscrit le: 03 Juil 2014 Messages: 4165 Localisation: Sur les rives du Tibre
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Posté le: Mar Juin 20, 2023 12:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Since it appears that the Duke sent his announcement to every living being in Rome we also received it and replied to thank him personally, but a more official communication on behalf of the Church would naturally be welcome if it doesn't come to the next Duke. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12331
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Posté le: Mar Juin 20, 2023 9:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dear Brothers and Sisters, I offer you the text of the official response. If you approve it, we will add the 'formal' part.
But I think it is important to emphasise that we should also thank all the other States that have publicly expressed themselves in favour of Aristotelian orthodoxy, and which the Primate of France has already mentioned: Béarn, Alençon, Champagne, Maine, Normandy, Lyonnais Dauphiné, Bourbonnais-Auvergne. We could also think about concretely rewarding the nobles and rulers of these lands, don't you think?
Anyway, if we decide to write a document for Gascony, we must not forget the others. Or do we write one document for all of them together?
Citation: | Lorsque la Foi n'est pas un simple mot, mais qu'elle est le fondement de la morale personnelle et publique et la lumière qui éclaire le chemin de tout un peuple, alors l'essence de l'aristotélisme trouve son accomplissement selon la volonté de Dieu et la parole du Premier Prophète. Dans son enseignement, en effet, nous trouvons le sens le plus élevé de la politique en relation avec la Foi, comme guide du bien commun.
Le peuple de Gascogne et le Duc Didier de Warenghien qui le gouverne ont récemment exprimé clairement leur choix du camp en tant que gardiens des valeurs sacrées de l'aristotélisme et leur rejet du mariage dit civil au profit de la sauvegarde du sacrement aristotélicien, se présentant comme un exemple à suivre par ceux qui sont tièdes dans leur foi ou qui se laissent égarer par des théories erronées et frauduleuses.
La voix du peuple se joint à celle de la Sainte Eglise dans la joie de la vérité et de l'espérance, demandant au Très-Haut la force de continuer à suivre ses enseignements dans le respect de la foi des pères et dans la fierté de ce choix exprimé publiquement.
L'Eglise embrasse le peuple de Gascogne et félicite le Duc d'avoir obtenu cette réponse, symbole de la Vertu.
Que le Très-Haut protège la terre et le peuple de Gascogne sur le chemin de la Vraie Foi. |
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pamelita Cardinal


Inscrit le: 15 Oct 2013 Messages: 3868 Localisation: Ducato di Milano
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Posté le: Mar Juin 20, 2023 9:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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+1 _________________
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