L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Sixtus]

Some Cardinals have been marked as absent or shortcoming in their duties, what is the advice of the committee on how to act?
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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik

[Kalixtus]

Citation:

German-speaking vice-primacy, we were received mainly by His Eminence Kalixtus who did not wish to understand the request despite the translation made. The copy of the provisional statutes was also communicated. Despite the translation made by someone. That doesn't seem to satisfy Kalixtus either. Trying then to facilitate the task of our German-speaking counterparts. We requested the translation from Villa San Loyats. This request was filed on September 2, 1469 and has remained unanswered ever since. We reiterated our request on November 13, 1469. And we are currently unanswered. This translation seems important for communicating with German speakers (http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=84909)



Don't know what this shit is - Cardinal Ulli is in charge in this matters and he gave this so called Congregation currently updated about the money of the german area. I don't like to read speculation and bullshit about me in such an official report - what a shame.



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Apart from the votes and some sporadic interventions, Cardinal Ulli is practically absent from the Sacred College. He keeps his activity stable at the local level with interventions in the Episcopal Assembly and in other offices but nothing beyond the ordinary.



Don't agree with this stuff too - as i said he is working in the congregation of tymothe to represent the germans as well.

And about the glorification of Gropius as "one of the best people rome has ever had."

I don't like to read such personal stuff in an official report - thats not what i expect from the team, who is in charge of judging the activity.

As well as i am not happy with the judgement of Cardinal Pere Setzefonts saying he is very young.

Arduino was also young, Roderic is also young - what do you say there - one seems to be the next superstar in heaven near to the prophets, enlightes by god himself and flying with the archangels to the next level of aristotelism and the other one is called nearly absent.

I am not happy with that.

To the question of the Holy Father:

As I always say and always will saying - inactivity is the death of the church. But i have no doubts that there is no chance that my words will give anything new information.

You can't fire all the inactive people without bringing new cardinals in line - so nominate new cardinals and you will fill in the gaps - if you don't want you have to life with the inactive or the absent and than you will burden more work on the few shoulders who are still active

BUT

One day they are gone too - step by step you will lose the substance - so the only way is nominate cardinals and fire the inactive.

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[Cathelineau]

kalixtus is right about Gropius. His death is sad news and if he was very invested in the Church, nothing should be exaggerated in saying that he was one of the best that Rome has ever had.

Then the problem and the solution lies in what I have been explaining for years, this Sacred College is empty, being optimistic we can say that 5 cardinal bishops are active out of 16, 2 cardinal priests out of 7 and 3 cardinal deacons out of 17. In other words, 10 cardinals doing the work for 40 cardinals planned...

And again I am generous in speaking of 10 assets, if we want to raise the bar, we must appoint cardinals. If in Brittany I lack Grand Officers, I appoint others and if they don't do the job, I simply change them and the wheel continues to turn.
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[Kalixtus]

I agree with the analysis of Cardinal Cathelineau.

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[Adonnis]

The Committee is deliberating to answer the question of His Holiness the Pope.

As for possible subjectivity and personal opinions, I can say that, as I explained earlier, the list of all active cardinals was divided among the three members of the Committee who then reported on the cardinals under their responsibility.

When the entire report was completed, all three members of the Committee reviewed the report in its entirety to ensure that there were no subjective assessments, since the Committee was committed to reporting as objectively as possible.

When the full report was reviewed and approved by all three Committee members, it was presented to Sacred College.

Obviously, no matter how careful the three members of the Committee are, mistakes can be made, and if any subjective assessment or opinion that could be construed as "personal opinion" was presented without correction, I can only apologize, in the name of the Comitee.

However, His Holiness the Pope has access to the full minutes of the Committee members' meeting and can rule out and reprimand any flaws in the evaluation process.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Fenice]

Cardinals are not secretaries of small offices, they do not have administrative positions. My idea may be unpopular, but I think the lack of cardinals is due to the general problem of lack of vocations. Being an active member of the Church seems to attract fewer and fewer people; consequently, there are fewer and fewer people of value, and therefore fewer and fewer cardinals.
I repeat, what I am saying will probably not please many, but I think that not everyone can become a cardinal, so it makes no sense to say that new cardinals must be appointed and then if they do not work they must be discharged and others appointed, turning the wheel. The problem is to raise up people of value who can become cardinals.

On the evaluation of the activity of cardinals, I will repeat what I have already said on other occasions: not everything a cardinal does is visible and public, and not everything leads to documents, so evaluating activity on the basis of certain criteria can be very reductive and inaccurate.
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[pamelita]

I completely agree with what Phoenix and Kalixtus said.
Unfortunately we are experiencing a black period for vocations and although we are in serious need of new Cardinals, we do not have many people suitable to become Cardinals
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[Francesco_maria]

"I personally find certain speeches ridiculous... the crisis of vocations is also given by the fact that there are positions in the Church that have been blocked for centuries and discourage one from wanting to commit oneself if one fails to go beyond a certain level.

I would be much more serene in choosing cardinals and would give opportunities to people who work well in their field and who can perhaps flourish and improve because they feel covered with a great honor and an important responsibility such as that of the cardinal's hat.

If we wait for the perfect candidate, he or she will never come... I myself often don't feel up to certain choices that we are called to make but we are a College and our strength also lies in the ability to welcome so many voices, even different from each other and to then accept the choice for the good of the Church even when we don't agree.

Canon Law does not say that to become a cardinal you need to be perfect in everything but you need to have the will to serve the Holy Church and I believe that if we search well we too will find people of good will among our bishops.

I would say to be more courageous and optimistic otherwise if we continue like this we will only make the Nameless Creature happy.

Finally, as regards inactive cardinals, at various levels, I think it is appropriate to ask them what they intend to do and then possibly evaluate their removal. If a person can't be active to run an office it's right to put him aside it's not a death sentence."
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[Roderic_]

I found the committee's assessment most... interesting. I think they forget that Cardinal deacons do not work precisely in Rome, but in their dogmatic areas. While that of the presbyters is to be divided between the two sides. On the other hand, how can we judge someone for being inactive? Why doesn't he communicate in Rome?

In this I agree with others of our brothers, the work of the cardinals is not always like the sun, often it is necessary to work in the shadows in order to achieve a visible work.
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[Francesco_maria]

"Excuse me, I have always had respect for this College but it seems to me that it is exaggerating with useless complaints.

You can all see how the question of the activity of the cardinals has been evaluated. The problem comes up periodically and the last decision taken by this College was to entrust the activity of the cardinals emeritus to the Committee that monitors it. The most objective possible criterion is to look at the activity in Rome which is the same criterion that is used in general for the evaluation of cardinals emeritus, which is a fallible system but as objective as possible.

When the Emeriti Committee was renewed, I made myself available because no one wanted to lend a hand, now I only see criticism from those who didn't want to make themselves available for work when the time came.

I too am well aware that evaluating a person's work only on what he does in Rome can be limiting. But what other criteria should we use? Read all the public squares of the Kingdoms tracing the activities of all the cardinals? Writing to all the clergy and faithfuls of an area to ask for an opinion on each cardinal?

The criterion of activity in Rome was the most objective, and the "Committee" gives an opinion, not a sentence. At the end of all this work, the Pope could even throw away that text as he can decide for further study or for anything else.

At the next round when the members of the "Committee" are renewed, plese, brothers and sisters come forward..."
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[Kalixtus]

The biggest criticism I have of this work is not so much the criteria of activity, which are difficult to determine. It is the personal evaluation standards that have been applied and which, in my opinion, demonstrate a far too emotional and subjective observation analysis, . That not every cardinal is active in the SC and completes his time mainly in the geodogmatic zones may be one of the obstacles of the evaluation. But what is totally unacceptable is that I read the nonsense in the evaluation at Tymothe about me, which do not coincide with the made concessions on my part to this Congregation represented by him at the request of His Holiness. I can only understand this analysis in an official report as defamation and I must clearly criticize it.

The analysis about Cardinal Ulli is now incomplete, and this too must be criticized. This does not mean that I fundamentally devalue the work of the committees. Rather, I consider my correct and meaningful comments necessary to constructively enhance and improve the work done. Personal sensitivities are not part of my analysis nor of my interest in judging this report, especially when it is a report that at times drags my name in the mud because of the incompetence of another Cardinal. This is not tolerable and I don't like this as nobody would like to see his name used for camouflage his own incompetence in translating something proper or find someone to translate it. There are 1700 german speaking persons within the geodogmatic zone. If you really want to find someone you will be able to find someone.

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[Adonnis]

After deliberations, this is the suggestion of the Committee:



Citation:

1. Cardinals who are inaccessible (in spiritual retreat or inactive for a long time) - Richard and Arnarion - Following the strict rule of the CIC, removal is suggested (the analysis of whether to grant the title of emeritus or not is up to the Pope or the Sacred College if the Pope wants to delegate this decision to the curia). The Committee cannot make a subjective analysis of each case. 2. Cardinal bishops who did not fulfill all the pope's requirements or Cardinals who were marked in the report as not active, should be invited to present their version of the facts, since the committee's report was based on purely objective information, obtained in the halls of Rome, without taking into consideration subjective circumstances such as difficulties, time, problems and bad weather for the execution or full activity.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Tymothé de Nivellus]

http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=84909

We had requested translations in your administration, these are still not done. We can thank the Italians.
So even if my file for the Apostolic Chamber is now obsolete because I have come a long way since then. I still don't have a German translation, for which you reproached me at the time... We have received part of the reports from the German dioceses thanks to Ulli's work and we thank him once again.

http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=84860

You have the mission to help your brothers with your congregation and to translate to facilitate the task.
You do it to your friends, but never to those you don't consider. You use the congregation as a weapon and a power to martyr others, not as a tool for everyone.
I work for the church and for the Holy Father.
Treatment should be the same for everyone.
Even if you don't love me, and I don't ask you. If instead of making the language of viper in all the offices you respected people. If you thought of church unity more than division, then we would go hand in hand as brothers and not turn our backs as enemies working on the same team. Unity would be our greatest strength. But that will never be possible as long as you insult, plot to hurt others, or speak ill of your colleagues and counterparts in the holy college.
We don't have to love each other, but we have a common mission, common values...

This work was done over a year ago. Since then, water has flowed under the bridges.

You may not like what I wrote at the time, but this is nothing less than your usual harmful behavior.

I don't want to open a debate because I don't have time. I will only answer if the Holy Father asks me to. After all, my report was primarily for him.
And until you decide to work with everyone, I won't waste any more time with you.
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque d'Embrun
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Kalixtus]

And what do we see here - half-truths and a bruised ego because I don't give him room to steal my precious time. Instead, you spread lies and fairy tales and unabashedly spread them around the college, and they end up in an official report.

Shameful!

The translations were not done because they are not a priority, - the priority is the CIC and the dogma. The Villa is not there to make your job easier, it is there for the Aristotelian people to SPREAD THE FAITH, that is why it is part of the CDF,. It is not your personal translation agency.

As far as cooperation within the Church is concerned, take care of yourself. You say it by yourself, - you want to cooperate only with the Holy Father and respond only to him.

Thus you are a part of the problem, and not the solution as so often you should first look in the mirror. I do not write reports about your incompetence and your unbearable arrogance and the hubris to which you seem to pay homage by actually seeming to think you can tell me what to do for you like a master dictates to his dog. You do not have that right.

And yes, you can thank Ulli, and deeply, because it is thanks to him alone that I agreed to deal with your nonsense that you call "work".

You have always said you don't want to waste time with me, when, OH GOD WHEN, will you finally do it, because I hope so fervently with all my fervor that you will finally follow your words with actions and leave me in peace with your intolerability. But you NEVER do. Instead, you show up and waste MY time in the first and only place.

Take yourself FINALLY serious. And stop acting like a toddler that lost his candy. I am not your staff or your pet or what ever. If you pay me more respect i may be in the mood to spend MY time to help you with YOUR problem. But that key you already failed even to see. Instead you choose the path of doom. Than don't cry and if you need to cry do it in a room without me present!

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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

the slime of the toad does not reach the white dove. Tymothe will not answer.
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque d'Embrun
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal