L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Kalixtus]

Kalixtus looks at the weirdo out of the corner of his eye and can well imagine what he is thinking up with his two brain cells, a quote comes to the Cardinal's mind, "He who digs in dirt should not be surprised if he gets dirty, not even the pigeon that lands in it."

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[Fenice]

It is very sad to see how our discussions, instead of being about the good things and what we can do to improve, are only, always, just attacks and accusations, and mutual insults.
To the faithful we talk so much about Aristotelian Friendship, what a beautiful example!
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[Kalixtus]

I can understand your words, Sister, but I will not tolerate that my action and my work, as well as my person, be shamelessly trashed, the reality distorted and nonsense told in an official report, in the evaluation pattern of another Cardinal.

Sorry. The Aristotelian friendship does not report a devotion to others but also protest when injustice is done.

So my protest is factual. I would also be upset if your name was tainted in this way at another evaluation of a cardinal.

I'm more irritated that the other cardinals don't care. But who's surprised, it's just Cardinal Kalixtus, the jerk who deserves to be punched in the face and who also deserves to be dragged through the mud in an official report.

THAT does not show Aristotelian friendship, sister.

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[Fenice]

My words were not addressed only to you, Brother.
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[Arnarion]

Greetings folks. I've been quite sick these times. When you are as old as me, less healthy you will feel. But I'll stand amongst us until I'm dead.

Anyway, I'll be resuming work with cardinal Felipe. Plenty of tasks to do, my boys. Maybe after God will finally grant me the right to rest in peace among our brothers and sisters who passed away.
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[Sixtus]

[Kalixtus]

I don't have to answer Sister Pamelita's letter, I can do it directly here.

Even though the letter gave me the impression that I seem to be counted among the inactive cardinals. Perhaps I should take on a few more tasks. After you excommunicate the empress, with votes of just those "inactive" cardinals, I find a few spectacular moments in the near future, where I can expand my work, since there soon seems to be none outside of Rome, because the dissemination of the faith becomes impossible in France - thank you, dear Cardinal Tymothe and Co for the extensively fruitful work with the reigning queen, who has just pushed the work done by Sixtus into the dustbin and faith can henceforth be practiced there only in the underground.

My thanks also to the 5 "spectacular" cardinals who will plunge the empire into a similar chaos. Many thanks. I love you all.

Yes, where else can we disseminate the faith. In the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, perhaps. There, the CDF - responsible for disseminating the faith - will soon have so much nothing to do.

Everywhere else, the CNA is responsible, because the church there has been bombed back into the damned Stone Age.

But let me refer to the accusations of this activity committee concretely:



Citation:

After reviewing the Index of Announcements of the Congregation for the Diffusion of the Faith, this Committee has found no announcement of recruitment of new translators. Although the Villa St. Loyats has been under the authority of the Archbishop of Udine, Monsignor Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia, since May 9, 1470, this Committee has not found any activities on the site of Villa St. Loyats aimed at increasing the activity with a view to improving the work of the present translators.



Yes this is a serious problem, but it has remained unsolved for years because - surprise - there are no translators. This problem is found in all translation agencies. Past campaigns have brought exactly ZERO translators. But I will put the issue on the agenda with Ettore. But even if I were to advertise it in the marketplaces of this world with expressive dance, there will be no improvement on this front so quickly.



Citation:

The University offers the courses Pastoral Prima, Pastoral Maxima and Theology in the main languages. However, it has not been possible to obtain information indicating the approval of the new courses in Ordinary Justice and Extraordinary Justice.



Yes - surprise - there is no information about it, because they didn't ask me either. Had they done so, they would know that the Justice Course is basically written, but simply not yet completed due to the missing parts of the CIC reform. I don't build half courses and teach half knowledge.



Citation:

This Committee has found no information that would signal a review of the regulations of Religious Orders. However, it was possible to ascertain that there is a meeting being initiated in the premises of the Congregation for the Diffusion of the Faith between the Rectors of Religious Orders.



I think it is good that no information has been found that must first be determined via this conference. The orders are partly fundamentally different and must be brought to each other, if we want to adopt uniform regulations also here the order leaders must cooperate more actively. My prefect cannot whip the abbots and rectors and force them. So here we will have to wait and be patient. This magical word we use here is WORK IN PROGRESS. Thank you.



Citation:

It was possible to find out that the Chancellor of the Congregation for the Diffusion of the Faith has personally initiated the standardization of the indexes. However, this work is still in progress.


surprise!

So after having made an analysis of my areas of work, which actually, as far as I know, was not in the mandate of the Activities Committee, which was supposed to evaluate the activity of the Cardinals and not their work or the work of the Congregation, I could see that the Committee did not interview my prefects, nor me, nor anyone else, and therefore provides a very conditional picture of the state of my Congregation and of the University. A condition about which I always keep the College and especially His Holiness in the picture.

I find the impression that I or the CDF are not working adequately strange and out of touch with reality, which is why I firmly reject such ideas.

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[Pere_Setzefonts]

I don't know what to say. I have more work than I can do. Now I have to take care of the diocese, the parishes and the church of Vic. I also have the family tavern to take care of and the whole thing is very complicated.


** irl is a bad time as I said in absences. Decide what you need. I will understand. How will I understand that something is decided regarding the rest that is not present ( some).
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Monsenyor Pere Setzefonts i D'Entença
Cardenal diaca de Sant Posseidó de Montserrat, Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona, Mossèn de Vic, Membre de l'AEH, Baró Palatí de Sant Joan de Latran, Baró d'Entença, Vescomte del Comtat d'Osona, Senyor de la Coca de Sucre

[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

This is my first intervention in these rooms, so please forgive the inexperience with which I misweight my words.
Regarding my work in the translators' rooms, I can only confirm the words of His Eminence De'Montfort-Beaumont d'Auteville.
I soon found myself doing a titanic job on my own, however I don't hide the fact that I soon let myself be overwhelmed by discouragement and concentrated on teaching.

As regards the Collegio Romano, however, from my point of view we are making good progress since I am following a good number of Italian students and, although some of these abandon their studies, many others continue enthusiastically, until they reach their diploma.

I also think that, at least as regards my shortcomings, it is right to underline them because there is always room for improvement and consequently help the whole Church.

If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to show you everything I know.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Adonnis]

Don't worry, brother. You must always express your opinion. You are new, I will try to explain.

We have a Committee that is normally charged only with evaluating the activity of the Cardinals Emeritus, to consider them as Inactive or Active Emeritus. Inactive Emeritus Cardinals lose access to the Sacred College. When an Emeritus Cardinal asks to return to the Sacred College, he is considered active after a certain period of proven activity here, in the respective Consistories, in the Episcopal Assemblies, etc.

However, in October 24, 1470, the Pope asked this Committee, which until then had been in charge of the evaluation of Emeritus, to make an analysis of the activity of the current Cardinal-Bishops, Cardinal-Prebishops and Cardinal-Deacons.

In March 15, 1471, I presented the report prepared by the committee. This report was prepared with the following methodology: each member of the committee (there are 3 members in total) was responsible for writing a report of one third of the cardinals (the total list of cardinals was divided into 3 groups, each group for one member). At the end, all three members of the committee reviewed what the others wrote to edit out any irregularities, since the work was supposed to be absolutely objective, without subjective considerations.

In March 23, 1471, in view of the fact that some cardinals pointed out that there were subjective considerations in the report, I apologized on behalf of the Committee, because the Committee used as a paradigm the points pointed out by the Canon Law for evaluating a cardinal's activity:


- Not participating in the works of the Sacred College;
- Not participating in the works of his Congregation for a Cardinal-Bishop;
- Not participating in the works of his Consistory for a Cardinal-Priest or a Cardinal-Deacon;
- The occasional presence without effective participation in the work under its jurisdiction;
- Absence, disappearance, retirement or retrenchment In Gratebus.


So, the The Holy Father asked the Committee about the suggestions to be taken regarding the Cardinals noted as inactive. Some time later the suggestion was presented. In this suggestion, consideration was given to naming as emeritus cardinals on spiritual retreat or missing (inactive IG) for a long time, and inviting active cardinals to give reasons for their lack of activity or for not complying with what the Holy Father has requested.

Well... this failure refers specifically, in the case of the cardinal-bishops, to the determinations that the Holy Father presented in 12 de outubro de 1469, when he prescribed specific actions that should be taken by each Congregation. This is because, in particular, the Holy Father informed the Committee that it should, in the case of the Cardinal-Bishops, include in the evaluation notes on compliance with the directives he provided for each Congregation.

Based on objectivity, the Committee considered the information that it was possible to obtain in the rooms of the Congregations and on the bulletin boards. Since there was information, including subjective information, that the Committee might not have had access to, each cardinal was invited to present his own clarification, since issues such as difficulties in meeting people, time issues and other obstacles might exist and the Committee would not have access to this information, so that only each Chancellor/Vice-Chancellor could clarify.

So, really, there was no question of accusing or blaming any cardinal for anything. With an examination of conscience, I could not do that no matter how much I wished to, since I myself am not totally and absolutely present and active at all times. The report was then a compilation of information that it was possible to obtain, considering the criteria that Canon Law presents as I told you before.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

And to complete the statements of dear Adonnis - I am the main critic of the report and demand an appropriate and adapted evaluation framework to make a meaningful and well-founded statement about the activity of the Congregations and the Cardinals.

This has not been the case so far, which is why the committee's report unfortunately contains little that is fruitful other than a superficial investigation with no further insight for the SC nor the Pope.

I consider this a failure of the committee and I plead for an adjustment in the form of a maxim for action - which can be laid down in a statute or a regulation. In any case, the present state of affairs is not workable and does not provide for proper adjudication, which was in the intention of this committee.

Welcome in the shark pond, dear Ettore.

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[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

As I like to think: the seal, in its life, suffers many bites from sharks but survives and experiences.

First of all, thank you Eminence De Sagres for your words of encouragement and for explaining to me step by step what you have done.
I think you have fulfilled your mission by following the procedure very well, however, I agree with His Eminence De Montfort-Beaumont D'Auteville on the need to introduce some changes for the future.

Before discussing the suggested changes, allow me to wish you a delightful Easter and Easter Monday.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Adonnis]

Correction... You ask, you request, you propose.

You don't demand. The day you have the authority to demand something within this Sacred College, I certainly won't be alive anymore.

Turning to Cardinal Ettore,

Yes, Brother. This has already been the subject of debate as well. That if one believes that something should change, one should start a debate about it.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

Excuse me, I can by all means demand anything I like. I just can't order this body to do anything. Neither can you, even though you are the dean of this body.

So when we are at distinctions, Adonnis, we stick to the correct path as well.

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[Adonnis]

Yes, you can demand whatever you want for whoever you want. Just don't expect anyone to bow down and obey you blindly. That is not going to happen.
This is the Sacred College of the Cardinals, not the Court of Kalixtus.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real