L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[silvio_1]

Cardinal Arduino un mio litigio personale? Con chi ?Ma di cosa parlate? Io stavo chiarendo i vari motivi che i laici si allontanano dalla Chiesa . E uno dei tanti motivi è prorio quello di non lasciare a chi chiede i sacramenti di scegliere dove e con chi. Oltre a tanti altri problemi che si creano tra Chiesa e Impero.
Sono contrario come tutti al matrimonio laico .

Cardinal Arduino my personal quarrel? With whom ? What are you talking about? I was clarifying the various reasons that the laity move away from the Church . And one of the many reasons is to not let those who ask the sacraments to choose where and with whom. In addition to many other problems that are created between Church and Empire.
I am as opposed to secular marriage as everyone else.

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[pamelita]

I am sure that brother Silvio would like more freedom to be able to baptise all those who participate in his courses, instead of teaching his students to turn to the parish priest or bishop of their own town, thus teaching them to get to know their pastors, rather than wanting to break numerical records for ceremonies performed, for reasons that are questionable, to say the least. but i believe that this is not the topic of discussion. so i join my colleagues in calling for the voice of the church to be heard loud and clear.
I would also like to point out that there are many excommunicated persons in the empire who also work alongside clerics, as if nothing had happened and without any action being taken.
It is obvious that the latter will try everything to get the church removed from the empire
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[Richelieu1]

Of course the Church has become far too complex.
It's all procedures, degrees, complex rules. I agree.

But there is also a problem of governance. The Sacred College is destroyed. Gutted from within.
The Primates are gigantic, no longer on a human scale.
The clerics at the bottom are ignored.
We are living the Church of the last days, alas.

But let us return to our subject.

Do we also excommunicate Kalixtus? Because you can't have double standards.
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[silvio_1]

Cardinal Pamelita con questa vostra delicata uscita avete completato l 'opera della Chiesa.Ringrazio tantissimo per le vostre supposizioni.
Concordo appieno con le parole del Cardinal Richelieu1,siamo alla frutta.

Cardinal Pamelita, with this delicate exit of yours, you have completed the work of the Church.Thank you very much for your assumptions.
I fully agree with the words of Cardinal Richelieu1, we are at the end.
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[Gropius]

Once again, I urge you to stay focused on the topic.
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Urbain_mastiggia]

- L'enseignement pastoral n'est pas une obligation, et je suis relativement réticent à le conserver tel qu'il est donné par les cisterciens par exemple, avec un jeu de lecture et de paraphrase pour donner une réponse. Mais je suppose que cela pourrait faire partie d'une étude dogmatique à ce sujet, puisqu'il y a des éléments de pastorale référencés dans les textes doctrinaux qui suffisent à créer des pastorales uniques, et adaptées à chacun des croyants. Mais je m'éloigne un peu. Pour en revenir à notre échange, il est nécessaire de condamner et de mettre à l'index ce qui doit l'être. Voyons ensuite comment la situation évolue après l'annonce de la mise à l'index des parties concernées avant d'excommunier. Quoi que fasse l'Eglise, il y aura une réaction que je crains violente. Les excommunications viendront, si elles doivent arriver, après la publication de la mise à l'Index.

- Pastoral teaching is not an obligation, and I am relatively reluctant to keep it as given by the Cistercians for example, with a game of reading and paraphrasing to give an answer. But I suppose it could be part of a dogmatic study on the subject, since there are elements of pastoral care referenced in the doctrinal texts that are sufficient to create unique pastorals, and tailored to each believer. But I digress. Let's get back to our exchange, let's condemn and put on the index what is to be condemned. Then let's see how the situation evolves after the announcement of the indexing of the parties concerned before excommunicating. Whatever the Church does, there will be a reaction which I fear will be violent. Excommunications will come, if they are to come at all, after the publication of the indexing.
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[Francesco_maria]

[Gropius]

Let us focus on the announcement to be published as the Sacred College. This is a draft of mine.

[Fenice]

Perhaps I would add a direct quote on marriage, and in the very last sentence I would put

[Gropius]

In the meantime I am continuing to edit the draft. Fenice, can you give me a passage on marriage to quote?
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Fenice]

[Adonnis]

I don't think this addition is appropriate. It will clearly give the public a split between us. The situation is serious enough, de per si. This print the conception that we are using a communiqué to criticize a clergyman or, even worse, that we are using the subterfuge of the need to condemn the civil union to actually attack one of us publicly.

We should leave our quarrels within the walls of this College. It is counterproductive for the world to know about our internal problems.

Overall, I approve in totum the proposal brought by the Dean, with the dogmatic addition suggested by Sister Fenice.



Fenice a écrit:

Perhaps I would add a direct quote on marriage, and in the very last sentence I would put Citation: by high prelates, who seem to have lost their way

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[pamelita]

I agree with Adonnis we already have a bad reputation and perhaps it is not the case to stir up those who already criticise us harshly.

dirty laundry better washed at home.
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[Gropius]

I too agree with Adonnis; internal quarrels are settled within these walls.
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Fenice]

... but must be settled, actually.
And I am not speaking about "quarrels". We haven't a simple problem of quarrelling. We have a cardinal that attacks other cardinals and works side by side with the Empire, giving approval and signing a document we are putting into Index because it's heretical.
This is not an internal problem to hide, Brothers.
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