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Kalixtus
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 09, 2023 11:01 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Kalixtus laughed. My dear Adonnis. You would walk around quite differently if this were my court. You can be sure of that.

Enough of that - Happy Eastern and a magnificent Feast of Renewal

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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 09, 2023 11:52 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Adonnis smiles and then answers: Happy Easter, my dear Kalixtus. Happy Easter!

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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 10, 2023 2:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"As always, the interventions of card. Kalixstus, albeit enriched with colorful terms and certainly not very noble ways, have a truth content. The report was made, as we stated at the beginning, on the basis of verifiable activity within the Sacred College and in general in the Roman Curia.

It didn't claim to be an exhaustive intervention of all the activity that one carries out and it didn't want to be a judgment on a person. If instead of raging like dogs on a piece of meat you would have used a little common sense, you would have understood that this was simply a first step.

If together as a College it has been decided to carry out an audit of the activity of the cardinals and this task has been assigned to a committee, let this committee work.

How do you evaluate an artist's work after a first brushstroke? Wait a little longer, it is true that the evaluations may be incomplete but we are working on them a little at a time. You have to start somewhere and I believe that instead of attacking those who did the work that no one wanted to do, we can politely point out some things that are not clear or incomplete in order to do the job."

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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 10, 2023 11:08 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

As for my justification of my "low presence and activity", I must say:

The difference in my activity months ago and now, within Rome, lies in the following, when it was no longer a member of a dicastery as a titular member and in the few offices it was still part of, I was not the owner of them, so my activity was reduced. Despite this, my activity within the Hispanic Kingdoms continued, unfortunately the war has made it very difficult to recruit new members. But many people still listen to the church or ask us for references on how to act on religious issues.

In short, although I have not been very present in Rome, my activity as a cleric has been maintained in the Hispanic area.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 10, 2023 11:20 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

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The Congregation of the Holy Inquisition: the Congregation has now a new leadership, although it still suffers from a general lack of personnel where needed. The reform of the Congregation is still underway and will be finished as soon as possible, the canons on the tribunals are already enacted and should be implemented and respected, canons on the internal structure of the Congregation and new judicial procedures will be enacted soon. Priorities:
Improving recruitment both for inquisitors and archepiscopal prosecutors;
Working on the reopening of as many archepiscopal tribunals as possible, but only if they are able to work properly (have both an archbishop and an archepiscopal prosecutor) and handle all matters of their competence;
Implementing the new structure of the higher tribunals (signature and rota) and recruitment and appointment of all the members needed, sitting members who are inactive should be dismissed and replaced;
Monitoring the situation in the geodogmatic regions with a National tribunal, some of them lack a prefect to preside the tribunal or a national prosecutors.


Unfortunately, the congregation suffers from a lack of inquisitors and the lack of the updated course does not help recruitment.
There are several young men, both clerics and lay, who would like to join the inquisition, and we hope that they will not change their minds while waiting.
The same problem arises with the archiepiscopal courts and all the other courts.
I am looking for a new prefect for the French-speaking area, and I trust that I will soon be able to continue with the cases that are still pending.

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MessagePosté le: Mar Avr 11, 2023 10:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I present to the Holy Father and the Sacred College my report.

As far as the internal structure of Palazzo San Nicola is concerned, perhaps I misunderstood, but after having had the headings changed on the notice board and at the entrance to the palace, there was never any talk of changing the structure. There are many rooms and they are regularly used for concordat discussions. The offices are, alas, largely empty, but for that very reason, to change the headers on the door, I would wait until we have new occupants.

As far as recruitment is concerned, I have spoken about this several times with Protonotary Mgr. Melian. We both think that a different way of recruiting must be found: Church diplomacy is a totally different thing from that of temporal power, it must not be confused with politics, so the message must be precise and clear. This message, we have not yet found, I admit.

I have personal informants who update me on the political and religious situation in the world.

I am personally active in concordats and together with the Congregation for the New Apostolate, with Cardinals Adonnis and Francesco Maria, we are following relations with Bohemia and the Kingdom of Hungary and Croatia.

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MessagePosté le: Ven Avr 21, 2023 6:04 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Holy Father, the letters have been resent, as requested.

    Citation:

    To Arnarion Date at 17h57 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Fenice Date at 17h57 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Kalixtus Date at 17h57 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Pamelita Date at 17h58 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Richelieu1 Date at 17h58 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Tymothe Date at 17h59 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Roderic_ Date at 17h59 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



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    To Pere_Setzefonts Date at 17h59 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.



    Citation:

    To Ulli Date at 17h59 on 21 April 1471
    Subject Informations

    Dear Brother
    Dear Sister,

    By order of the Holy Father, I reiterate the invitation for you to come to the Sacred College and express yourself about the absence mentioned in the Report of the Committee.

    The report was based on purely objective points, so this is the opportunity to clarify the details and nuances that the Committee does not have access to and that only you, dear brother, can explain.

    If you have already presented your justifications, please disregard this message.

    May God bless you.

    A.




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Fenice
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MessagePosté le: Ven Avr 21, 2023 6:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Fenice a écrit:
I present to the Holy Father and the Sacred College my report.

As far as the internal structure of Palazzo San Nicola is concerned, perhaps I misunderstood, but after having had the headings changed on the notice board and at the entrance to the palace, there was never any talk of changing the structure. There are many rooms and they are regularly used for concordat discussions. The offices are, alas, largely empty, but for that very reason, to change the headers on the door, I would wait until we have new occupants.

As far as recruitment is concerned, I have spoken about this several times with Protonotary Mgr. Melian. We both think that a different way of recruiting must be found: Church diplomacy is a totally different thing from that of temporal power, it must not be confused with politics, so the message must be precise and clear. This message, we have not yet found, I admit.

I have personal informants who update me on the political and religious situation in the world.

I am personally active in concordats and together with the Congregation for the New Apostolate, with Cardinals Adonnis and Francesco Maria, we are following relations with Bohemia and the Kingdom of Hungary and Croatia.

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Roderic_
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MessagePosté le: Sam Avr 22, 2023 3:50 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Roderic_ a écrit:
As for my justification of my "low presence and activity", I must say:

The difference in my activity months ago and now, within Rome, lies in the following, when it was no longer a member of a dicastery as a titular member and in the few offices it was still part of, I was not the owner of them, so my activity was reduced. Despite this, my activity within the Hispanic Kingdoms continued, unfortunately the war has made it very difficult to recruit new members. But many people still listen to the church or ask us for references on how to act on religious issues.

In short, although I have not been very present in Rome, my activity as a cleric has been maintained in the Hispanic area.

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Richelieu1
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MessagePosté le: Mar Avr 25, 2023 9:26 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Citation:
A Sa Sainteté le Pape
Au Sacré Collège des Cardinaux

Nous Ludovi de Sabran, Cardinal Chancelier de la Sainte Vérité, nous nous résignons.

Compte tenu du délétère fonctionnement du Sacré-Collège, qui n'a hélas plus grand chose de Sacré. Nous nous résignons à reconnaître l'inévitable. Cette assemblée est minée par l'ambition, la haine, la volonté de discriminer, d'exclure. Les passes-droits et les comportements déviants inacceptables sont pourtant là. L'harmonie qui devrait nous unir n'est pas.

Compte tenu de la situation de notre Congrégation qui nous navre. Nous nous résignons à nous soumettre. L'absence de réaction de notre Pontife devant l'attitude d'une vice-Chancelière qui a démontré sa volonté de nous évincer et de nous salir. Le détachement des Séminaire Inquisitoriaux de la Congrégation de la Sainte Vérité et la non actualisation de ceux-ci, rendant tout recrutement impossible pour nous.

Compte tenu de la position du Saint Siège, à l'immobilisme et l'intransigeance. Nous nous résignons à nous taire. Les fauteuils vides de la Curie devant visiblement désespérément rester vides. L'essentiel de l'activité étant celle de chasser le peu d'occupants qui restent. Les modifications canoniques et les positions tranchées inflexibles. Le désintérêt pour les Princes que nous sommes supposés être.

Nous avons perdu la foy. La foy en les hautes sphères de notre Église. Nous prions d'être dans l'erreur car nous souhaitons aujourd'hui plus que tout autre que la Sainte Église Triomphe. Mais nous n'y croyons plus.
Nous nous résignons à constater notre échec à nous adapter et à réussir notre mission.

N'étant pas schismatique malgré tout, nous nous résignons à nous voir dépouillé de nos fonctions au sein du Sacré Collège sans mot dire. En parfaite soumission.

Nous tenterons de nous recentrer sur notre activité pastorale et locale. Pour nos brebis qui ne nous semblent pas encore égarées, nous tacherons si le Très Haut et ses représentants le veulent de les guider encore. Nous tenterons de maintenir notre participation au Concile autant que possible et malgré la dysmorphie structurelle de celui-ci. L'espoir sur ce point étant ténu mais toujours là.

Avec tous nos regrets, nous nous résignons et adressons à certains de nos estimés frères et Sœurs, tout nos vœux de courage. Ils en auront besoin.

Ludovi de Sabran.


Citation:
To His Holiness the Pope
To the Sacred College of Cardinals

We Ludovi de Sabran, Cardinal Chancellor of the Holy Truth, resign ourselves.

In view of the deleterious functioning of the Sacred College, which unfortunately no longer has much of a sacred character. We resign ourselves to recognising the inevitable. This assembly is undermined by ambition, hatred, the will to discriminate, to exclude. The unacceptable entitlements and deviant behaviours are here. The harmony that should unite us is not.

Given the situation of our Congregation, which is distressing for us. We resign ourselves to submission. The lack of reaction of our Pontiff to the attitude of a Vice-Chancellor who has demonstrated her desire to oust and sully us. The detachment of the Inquisitorial Seminaries from the Congregation of the Holy Truth and the failure to update them, making any recruitment impossible for us.

Given the position of the Holy See, to immobility and intransigence. We are resigned to remaining silent. The empty chairs in the Curia must remain desperately empty. The main activity is to drive out the few remaining occupants. Canonical changes and inflexible positions. The disinterest in the Princes we are supposed to be.

We have lost faith Faith in the high places of our Church. We pray that we are in error because we wish today more than anything else that the Holy Church would triumph. But we no longer believe in it.
We are resigned to our failure to adapt and to succeed in our mission.

Not being schismatic in spite of everything, we resign ourselves to seeing ourselves stripped of our functions within the Sacred College without a word. In perfect submission.

We will try to refocus on our pastoral and local activity. For our sheep who do not yet seem to have lost their way, we will try, if the Most High and his representatives so wish, to guide them again. We will try to maintain our participation in the Council as much as possible and in spite of its structural dysmorphism. The hope on this point is tenuous but still there.

With all our regrets, we resign ourselves and address to some of our esteemed brothers and sisters, all our wishes of courage. They will need it.

Ludovi de Sabran.

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MessagePosté le: Ven Avr 28, 2023 8:57 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

We obviously do not agree with most of the assessments of our brother cardinal Richelieu, yet we recognise his efforts and merits of the past.
We accept his resignation and grant him the rank of emeritus to the title he previously held. We ask the Dean to take care of the needed announcement.

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MessagePosté le: Ven Avr 28, 2023 9:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Done!

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MessagePosté le: Sam Avr 29, 2023 10:57 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

RP
Citation:

To all the brothers of the Sacred College,

I have already said on several occasions that the ecclesiastical life of my metropolitan archdiocese of Tarragona brings me a lot of work and that I also have my parish in Vic to support, apart from my duties as a nobleman and Lieutenant with Prince Hairt.

When you appointed me I was very happy because I understood that from Rome you could see the work done in our regions and in the Hispanic Consistory.

We are in a war that eats the health of us all, wanting to make peace. This, as Roderic says, worries us a lot and we do everything we can.

It must also be said, and I want to be very honest, that the purpose of my life would be the contemplative life that I cannot enjoy in my lands because of my obligations.

Coming to the meetings of the Sacred College is sometimes difficult for me, but I come as often as I can. I will continue to come as much as I can unless this is not possible according to your decision.

If this causes a serious problem and my place is needed by another cardinal, feel free to tell me to step down. I don't ask for it or want it, but I would understand it and mainly I would put myself under the orders of the Holy Father who gave me the title of Cardinal.

Please receive my biggest and humblest hugs to each and every one of you and know that my brotherly love for you is only comparable to the infinite knowledge you have imparted to me in this short time.

Pere Setzefonts d'Entença


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** I don't know how many times I've excused myself to have work irl and I will continue to excuse myself for the same reason. N has changed my RL situation.
Do not suffer if you make the decision to leave the Sacred College. I do what I can RL.
kisses**

Jd de Pere

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