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landrick
Inscrit le: 03 Jan 2007 Messages: 59 Localisation: Bridgewater
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Posté le: Jeu Fév 26, 2009 9:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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law society of england is a secular activity group which considere secular law as the unique one. In one sens they are pagan because they pretend to do the law without god and doesn't considere the existance of god. It's good to introduce the society to change the secular law in church law _________________
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Lordwilb
Inscrit le: 21 Jan 2009 Messages: 1206
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Posté le: Jeu Fév 26, 2009 10:29 pm Sujet du message: |
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I love the idea.
But nothing for us Irish?
And I'll be happy to try and get pilgrim medals approved here in Ireland, I believe it is down to my office... _________________
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Teagan Cardinal
Inscrit le: 10 Juil 2006 Messages: 1700 Localisation: RL =australia
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Posté le: Ven Fév 27, 2009 1:23 am Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | law society of england is a secular activity group which considere secular law as the unique one. In one sens they are pagan because they pretend to do the law without god and doesn't considere the existance of god |
Am I being called a Pagan! I was head of the law society for quite some time.
the secular laws have generally in their heart a concept of fairness and justice which are admirable traits. While the laws are often flawed, their intent is generally right.[/quote] _________________ Teagan
Former too many things
not enough active things
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landrick
Inscrit le: 03 Jan 2007 Messages: 59 Localisation: Bridgewater
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Posté le: Ven Fév 27, 2009 8:18 am Sujet du message: |
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It's not a problem for me to say that action of secular activity is of pagan nature. Doing law incompatible with god law is paganism.
Now it's not because a guy is member of a pagan group that he is pagan.
I think I go to try to integrate this group to try to slowly change the law with your help teagan I hope
For Ireland when the maritim way will be open then it will be interesting to include ireland town in pilgrimage
For scotland: Do you know if it's possible to go in scotland? I never go. If it's possible I will integrate in the pilgrimage _________________
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Apocas Cardinal
Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2006 Messages: 4290 Localisation: Salisbury, Clifton
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landrick a écrit: | For scotland: Do you know if it's possible to go in scotland? I never go. If it's possible I will integrate in the pilgrimage |
Yes, assuming one kingdom or the other hasn't closed the border, it is possible to travel to Scotland from England, and vice versa. _________________ Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland
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Sepia
Inscrit le: 01 Juin 2006 Messages: 439 Localisation: County Galloway, Scotland
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Posté le: Ven Fév 27, 2009 5:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes you can cross the border into Scotland, however it's always closed on one side or the other so you need to seek permission before you cross. otherwise it might not be pretty. _________________
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Algernon
Inscrit le: 01 Fév 2007 Messages: 127
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landrick a écrit: |
I think I go to try to integrate this group to try to slowly change the law with your help teagan I hope |
'Tis not at all unusual for some in Erin to have an ear towards Rome, and so news of the discussion that ensued along these lines would surely within a period of several days yet reach a young Mayor from An Mumhain...
'My very dear brothers and sisters, in Aristotle,' he wrote.
'I have heard news in even Luimneach of discussion of Church involvement in temporal law. My fears are that an agency to shepherd our Faith may become indelibly tainted by such involvement, as men invariably fail and so here may with notion of temporal power become consumed
I respectfully suggest that imagining of ourselves a capacity to translate the Word of the Most High to Law perhaps a conceit that only betrays how truly human we are. My fallen father's papers revealed to me relevant correspondence likely kept in thy halls. _________________
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Rook
Inscrit le: 18 Avr 2008 Messages: 219
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This is already a rather ambitious project. I would suggest limiting it to England for the first trip. If it goes well, the next pilgrimage could include international travel. _________________
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Apocas Cardinal
Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2006 Messages: 4290 Localisation: Salisbury, Clifton
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Well yes an international pilgrimage might be much for now. However I wonder if it is possible to have a pilgrimage within the borders of Scotland and/or Ireland? _________________ Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland
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landrick
Inscrit le: 03 Jan 2007 Messages: 59 Localisation: Bridgewater
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Posté le: Mar Oct 20, 2009 10:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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It's time for me to try organization of the first pilgrimage in england
I ask to the england authorities for aristolician church to say me if they accept the project and if it's yes to help me in organisation and particularly in communication in all the county of england and scotland.
The depart of a pilgrimage the 1th of March 1458 in Exeter cornwall.
The pilgrimage will be
Pilgrimage of the Holy Cities cross of England and scotland
Each town in black is a holy cross cities were pilgrim stop 1 day
1 - Exeter
2 - Exeter
3 - Chard
4 - Bridgewater
5 - Bridgewater
6 - Bath
7 - Salisbury
8 - Salisbury
9 - Winchester
10 - Winchester
11 - Reading
12 - Oxford
13 - Evesham
14 - Evesham
15 - Worcester
16 - Worcester
17 - Warwick
18 - Warwick
19 - Birmingham
20 - Birmingham
21 - Lichfield
22 - Lichfield
23 - Stafford
24 - Stafford
25 - Beeston
26 - Chester
27 - Chester
28 - Liverpool
29 - Preston
30 - Lancaster
31 - Kendal
1 - Appleby
2 - Penrith
3 - Carlisle
4 - Dumfries
5 - Kirkcudbright
6 - Wigtown
7 - Girvan
8 - Ayr
9 - Largs
10 - Glasgow
11 - Glasgow
I ask also to the church authorities to create a medal for this pilgrimage.
The pilgrim will move all together and will eat by themselve in all the duration of the pilgrimage. It's a real sacrifice for each pilgrim that why this pilgrimage must give recognition of the church for the pilgrim.
As you see this pilgrimage is particularly hard. I recomand to the pilgrim to optain a grant to do the pilgrimage in security. I recomand also to develop a rp of pilgrim for this because it's more than one month of travel. Moreover before you must to move to exeter and after must come back home. It's the same difficulty for all the pilgrim of england and scotland because he go from the extrem south to the extrem north _________________
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Sepia
Inscrit le: 01 Juin 2006 Messages: 439 Localisation: County Galloway, Scotland
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Posté le: Mer Oct 21, 2009 8:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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You might also want to consider linking it with reading the books necissary for the Church Way, and also a day or so along the way where people can stop to work to earn more bread.
You could also do a pilgrimage back the other way, so people who arrive in Glasgow could then do the pilgrimage back with the people of Scotland. Or something like that, but either way I think it's a good idea. _________________
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latan Cardinal
Inscrit le: 05 Avr 2006 Messages: 6335
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do the pilgrims travel as a group or as individuals?
How do we deal with outlaws and maybe armies? _________________ [RIP]
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Apocas Cardinal
Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2006 Messages: 4290 Localisation: Salisbury, Clifton
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 22, 2009 2:33 am Sujet du message: |
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Sepia a écrit: | a day or so along the way where people can stop to work to earn more bread. |
Actually I think he has it mostly covered.
Landrick a écrit: | Each town in black is a holy cross cities were pilgrim stop 1 day |
Though there is a bit of a rush from Chester to Glasgow, a one day stop during that week might be advised.
Sepia a écrit: | You could also do a pilgrimage back the other way, so people who arrive in Glasgow could then do the pilgrimage back with the people of Scotland. |
That would be nice, but it would turn this into a 3 month affair. That may be a bit much for some.
Latan a écrit: | do the pilgrims travel as a group or as individuals? |
Again he has somewhat answered.
Landrick a écrit: | The pilgrim will move all together and will eat by themselve in all the duration of the pilgrimage. |
Latan a écrit: | How do we deal with outlaws and maybe armies? |
Armies shouldn't be a problem, as they only attack other armies. Outlaws also shouldn't be too big of a problem if you have a large enough group. Otherwise they could contact the various militias for escort.
Landrick a écrit: | Moreover before you must to move to exeter and after must come back home. It's the same difficulty for all the pilgrim of england and scotland because he go from the extrem south to the extrem north |
I am wondering if we should allow people to join the pilgrimage along the way, instead of coming all the way to Exeter, then travelling back north.
Landrick a écrit: | I ask also to the church authorities to create a medal for this pilgrimage. |
Brother Lordwilb at the Office of Heraldry, would be a good person for you to contact. Either he, or someone else at heraldry, can probably make this for you. _________________ Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland
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faheud Cardinal
Inscrit le: 07 Juil 2008 Messages: 581
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 22, 2009 1:03 pm Sujet du message: good idea |
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Is a good idea as the pilgrimmage would ideally complete with as many live souls finish as started (unless new ones join in en route) _________________ the ghost of faheud |
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Sepia
Inscrit le: 01 Juin 2006 Messages: 439 Localisation: County Galloway, Scotland
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 22, 2009 10:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | Armies shouldn't be a problem, as they only attack other armies. |
You haven't been to Scotland.... there is always an army in Scotland somewhere killing citizens because they arn't Scottish or from Ayr or from Galloway etc. Also the Cumberland / Scottish border has only recently opened.
However just check in with one of the Scottish clergy, and they will be able to give a heads up on it. _________________
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