L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Furiax]

What is the position of the Church on duels.

It is sure that the Church dogma clearly states that we can not fight, but it is unclear with the appearances of intellectual duels where the line is cut. By prudence, I say that we can not duel especially because of the violence of it, especially for the loser who rarely goes out in very good shape.

[Furiax]

Well I found my answer, the priests can use a charismatic duel.

I got my answer here : http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=16193

Cardinal Rehael : Les clercs peuvent utiliser le duel Casuistique qui se base sur le charisme.

[Leia]

I myself would refer to the position taken by the ESI. Our Cardinal Primate Sepia has posted the following on the RK URACE forums on 25 Aug. 2009

[Sepia]

The only point I will stress is that ordained clergy cannot bear weapons, this includes in duels.
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[Leia]

If I may ask this then, given the prohibition against weapons (and shields) may I take it then our loss (us losing) is almost a certain outcome? Our opponent will surely be fully armed and armored, while we will have just our walking stick.
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[Sepia]

Yes Leia I imagine that would be the case, if clergy would like to duel I suggest they join a military order, or there are meant to be knowledge duels coded at some point, so attend them rather than the physical ones.
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[landrick]

I experimented myself the duel, because for me only god is able to kill or save. Then I don't see problem for duel because this is god which choose if somebody will dead. Moreover someone's say you can give some offers to church to optain god help and I think if god help fighter then by logic god is not opposed to duel.

Now I clearly change my idea's and the logic is maybe not the best way to be in god faith and heart is a better help than reason. My heart say that buying god help by offers is probably heretic. In this way duel is only a temptation to test our faith.

I regret my duel fight it was an error and I will accept what you decid for me to find the real faith and expiated. I'm only a man, I recognized my error and I wait your choice. I proposed first to sell my shield and my sword
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[Leia]

If I may suggest Brother Landrick if you wish to sell your sword and shield, you can donate the money from the sale to your town or County as a part of atonement.
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[Furiax]

May I add that bearing swords is allowed if you are a noble. I saw a priest bearing sword, and I was quite surprised until I went to read that exception to the rule.

[Josephus]

Is this what you're referring to Your Excellency?

[Aishling O'Niall]

I have had three competitions in the arena. It is an organized sporting competition with those of equal ability and the conditions of the competition are agreed upon before hand. No weapons are used and there would be and is an agreed upon "donation" or none at all in the duels I take part in. Our group has also traveled to other countries for this and in doing so I have met many people affording me the chance to spread the word of the Almighty. Jah has smiled upon me all three times.

[Leopold]

Since at the arena one could sacrifice certain products in order to beg for help from Aristotelian Saints. It is not "illegal" by the Church.

Clerics, ordained members of the clergy, priests, should however not fight in duels. The article of the Canon Law which says a priest may not bear arms has been said numberous times here. That is correct.

But also the fact that a priest should not be competitif and restrain him or herself from "foolishness" like fighting as a priest in the arena. A priest is a shepherd and should watch over his sheep, the people of his or her parish. Because a priest who would fight bear handed... It is still fighting, and we preach a message of love, not violence. Even if it is "just for sport". We may not risk hurting a child of Jah.
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[Aishling O'Niall]

So I should forgo any sporting challenge or competition of any sort? So no participation in any competition in my town? We have Winterfest coming up, it's full of competitions. My flock will find me as dull as a blunt axe and I'll get nowhere with them. I shall have to respectfully disagree on this point.

[Leopold]