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vanwolk



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MessagePosté le: Sam Mai 07, 2011 2:18 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Welcome back. Well, you have an idea on a statute for this office?
Je ne demande pas de statut, je souhaite la mise en place d’une commission composée de clerc et de prélat qui réfléchisse à l’instauration obligatoire de chant et de musique dans les offices aristotéliciens, ou tout du moins de hiérarchiser et orienter les choix musicaux pour garder une certaine unité.
En parallèle je propose que vous autoriser la mise en place avec la préfecture de l’enseignement d’une mention Art sacrée, que je vous propose d’enseigner au sein du séminaire lescurien, on y apprendrait l’architecture, la musique et l’art liturgique.

What benefits can lead to the Church?

La musique est une œuvre de Dieu, l’Eglise doit en faire sa promotion et l’utiliser pour rendre grâce à notre créateur, en le louant, chantant et psalmodiant ! Mais le rite doit lui aussi être cadrer pour assurer l’unité de notre Eglise. Pour cela je propose que la commission travaille autour de texte de chant commun pour l’Église, il existe déjà des chant ou des psaumes, il faut les répertorier et les reconnaitre comme apte a entrer dans la liturgie aristotélicienne !
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 12, 2011 2:27 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Eminence, Lancerez vous un décret d'appel à candidature pour la constitution de cette comission ? ou allez vous nommer les membres? Pensez vous que je vais pouvoir faire reconnaire les cours d'arts sacrée comme option reconnu pour la licence de théologie ?
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 12, 2011 2:44 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Pardon the delay. Before doing these steps we have to see if there is a possibility. Show the project in the prefecture and of course I will let you know if we can agree with this initiative.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 12, 2011 4:34 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Bonjour à tous, et mon frère c'est un plaisir de te voir icilieu.

Donc de ce que j'ai compris tu souhaiterais faire reconnaître un cursus ?

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 12, 2011 5:50 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Please, also english.
Thanks.

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MessagePosté le: Ven Mai 13, 2011 6:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Also the Dominican seminary should be involved in this project, I remember that there is a little but precious collection of gregorian and byzantin chants in our Library.

I think that creating a "Pontifical consultive commission about Art and Liturgy" is an excellent idea, so as Vice-Dean of Saint Dominicus I present my application to the future commission.

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 19, 2011 9:57 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Monseigneur Vanwolk, permettez moi de vous inviter à la préfecture et continuer le projet avec nous? La préfecture à l'enseignement prend à cœur votre projet et souhaite s'y impliquer...si vous le souhaitez bien entendu, vous pourrez président le débat et gérer le projet?!

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Monseigneur Vanwolk, allow I to invite yourself in the prefecture and to continue the project with us? The prefecture in the education(teaching) takes in heart your project and wishes to get involved there if you wish it naturally, you can president the debate and manage the project?!

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Je vie dans cette frustration de voir notre Sainte Église se faire dégommée par cette soif de pouvoir que les clercs subissent en imaginant avoir de la reconnaissance qu'ils n'auront jamais! Reconnaissance = remerciements des fidèles, oubliez un merci de la Curie ou des autres évêques! Curé, profitez et restez curé tant que vous le pouvez!
Moi j'ai connus l'époque où les cardinaux se sortaient les doigts du cul! (Jeandalf par exemple!)
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 23, 2011 4:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Vanwolk???
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MessagePosté le: Mar Mai 24, 2011 12:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

In absence of Mons. Vanwolk, I give you some ideas of mine for the Pontifical Commission of Sacred Art and Music


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SACRED MUSIC


The musical tradition of the universal Church is a treasure of inestimable value, greater even than that of any other art. The main reason for this pre-eminence is that, as sacred song united to the words, it forms a necessary or integral part of the solemn liturgy.

Therefore sacred music is to be considered the more holy in proportion as it is more closely connected with the liturgical action, whether it adds delight to prayer, fosters unity of minds, or confers greater solemnity upon the sacred rites. But the Church approves of all forms of true art having the needed qualities, and admits them into divine worship.

Accordingly:

Liturgical worship is given a more noble form when the divine offices are celebrated solemnly in song, with the assistance of sacred ministers and the active participation of the people.

The treasure of sacred music is to be preserved and fostered with great care. Choirs must be diligently promoted, especially in cathedral churches; but bishops and other pastors of souls must be at pains to ensure that, whenever the sacred action is to be celebrated with song, the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation which is rightly theirs.

Great importance is to be attached to the teaching and practice of music in seminaries, in the novitiates and houses of study of religious of both sexes, and also in other Aristotelic institutions and schools. To impart this instruction, teachers are to be carefully trained and put in charge of the teaching of sacred music.

It is desirable also to found higher institutes of sacred music whenever this can be done.

Composers and singers, especially boys, must also be given a genuine liturgical training.

The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.

But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations, so long as they accord with the spirit of the liturgical action.

The typical edition of the books of Gregorian chant is to be completed; and a more critical edition is to be prepared.

It is desirable also that an edition be prepared containing simpler melodies, for use in small churches.

Religious singing by the people is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises, as also during liturgical services, the voices of the faithful may ring out according to the norms and requirements of the rubrics.

In certain parts of the world, especially mission lands, there are peoples who have their own musical traditions, and these play a great part in their religious and social life. For this reason due importance is to be attached to their music, and a suitable place is to be given to it, not only in forming their attitude toward religion, but also in adapting worship to their native genius.

Therefore, when missionaries are being given training in music, every effort should be made to see that they become competent in promoting the traditional music of these peoples, both in schools and in sacred services, as far as may be practicable.

In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church's ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man's mind to God and to higher things.

But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, with the knowledge and consent of the competent territorial authority. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use, accord with the dignity of the temple, and truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.

Composers, filled with the Aristotelic spirit, should feel that their vocation is to cultivate sacred music and increase its store of treasures.

Let them produce compositions which have the qualities proper to genuine sacred music, not confining themselves to works which can be sung only by large choirs, but providing also for the needs of small choirs and for the active participation of the entire assembly of the faithful.

The texts intended to be sung must always be in conformity with Catholic doctrine; indeed they should be drawn chiefly from holy scripture and from liturgical sources.


SACRED ART AND SACRED FURNISHINGS



Very rightly the fine arts are considered to rank among the noblest activities of man's genius, and this applies especially to religious art and to its highest achievement, which is sacred art. These arts, by their very nature, are oriented toward the infinite beauty of God which they attempt in some way to portray by the work of human hands; they achieve their purpose of redounding to God's praise and glory in proportion as they are directed the more exclusively to the single aim of turning men's minds devoutly toward God.

Holy Mother Church has therefore always been the friend of the fine arts and has ever sought their noble help, with the special aim that all things set apart for use in divine worship should be truly worthy, becoming, and beautiful, signs and symbols of the supernatural world, and for this purpose she has trained artists. In fact, the Church has, with good reason, always reserved to herself the right to pass judgment upon the arts, deciding which of the works of artists are in accordance with faith, piety, and cherished traditional laws, and thereby fitted for sacred use.

The Church has been particularly careful to see that sacred furnishings should worthily and beautifully serve the dignity of worship, and has admitted changes in materials, style, or ornamentation prompted by the progress of the technical arts with he passage of time.

The Church has not adopted any particular style of art as her very own; she has admitted styles from every period according to the natural talents and circumstances of peoples, and the needs of the various rites. Thus, in the course of the centuries, she has brought into being a treasury of art which must be very carefully preserved. The art of our own days, coming from every race and region, shall also be given free scope in the Church, provided that it adorns the sacred buildings and holy rites with due reverence and honor; thereby it is enabled to contribute its own voice to that wonderful chorus of praise in honor of the Aristotelic Faith sung by great men in times gone by.

Ordinaries, by the encouragement and favor they show to art which is truly sacred, should strive after noble beauty rather than mere sumptuous display. This principle is to apply also in the matter of sacred vestments and ornaments.

Let bishops carefully remove from the house of God and from other sacred places those works of artists which are repugnant to faith, morals, and Aristotelic piety, and which offend true religious sense either by depraved forms or by lack of artistic worth, mediocrity and pretense.

And when churches are to be built, let great care be taken that they be suitable for the celebration of liturgical services and for the active participation of the faithful.

The practice of placing sacred images in churches so that they may be venerated by the faithful is to be maintained. Nevertheless their number should be moderate and their relative positions should reflect right order. For otherwise they may create confusion among the Aristotelic people and foster devotion of doubtful orthodoxy.

When passing judgment on works of art, local ordinaries shall give a hearing to the Diocesan Commission on Sacred Art and, if needed, also to others who are especially expert, and to the Pontifical Commissions of Sacred Art and Music.

Ordinaries must be very careful to see that sacred furnishings and works of value are not disposed of or dispersed; for they are the ornaments of the house of God.

Bishops should have a special concern for artists, so as to imbue them with the spirit of sacred art and of the sacred liturgy. This they may do in person or through suitable priests who are gifted with a knowledge and love of art.

It is also desirable that schools or academies of sacred art should be founded in those parts of the world where they would be useful, so that artists may be trained.

All artists who, prompted by their talents, desire to serve God's glory in holy Church, should ever bear in mind that they are engaged in a kind of sacred imitation of God the Creator, and are concerned with works destined to be used in Aristotelic worship, to edify the faithful, and to foster their piety and their religious formation.

The territorial bodies of bishops are empowered to adapt such things to the needs and customs of their different regions; this applies especially to the materials and form of sacred furnishings and vestments.

During their philosophical and theological studies, clerics are to be taught about the history and development of sacred art, and about the sound principles governing the production of its works. In consequence they will be able to appreciate and preserve the Church's venerable monuments, and be in a position to aid, by good advice, artists who are engaged in producing works of art.

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MessagePosté le: Mar Mai 24, 2011 2:50 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Citation:
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http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?p=404905#404905

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MessagePosté le: Mer Mai 25, 2011 11:24 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

(Eminence, je suis à la prefecture pour l'ouverture d'une section art sacré pour les étudiants)
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MessagePosté le: Mer Mai 25, 2011 11:29 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

brother Ariberto, it is o very good job !

this declaration is a first rock !

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MessagePosté le: Mer Mai 25, 2011 11:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thank you Mons. Vanwolk!

I hope that we can cooperate!
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Mai 26, 2011 12:10 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I hope and I believe
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MessagePosté le: Mar Mai 31, 2011 8:19 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Eminence, comment comptez vous composer cette commission ? un appel, des nominations ?
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