L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Jolieen]

My dear Brother Gian - who created this Coat of Arms? As this is not the version that has been approved by the pontifical Court and is therefore not officially accepted.

Your accepted version is this:

which I have done by my own hands - so could you please clarify this?
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[Gian_maria]

"Msgr Jolieen, my coat of arms was made by imperial heraldry, because I'm feudal knight. As you can remember, when I asked for a coat of arms I was "bounced back" once by imperial heraldry, once by pontifical heraldry, letting me really unsure on this matter. Now, your answer makes me think my present coat of arms isn't the right one for me, and, believe me, it' really frustrating.

Now, I'm either feudal knight and bishop: can you explain me what kind of coat of arms I should have and what heraldry should make it? I'm really confused about this. I tried to understand it by myself, but I clearly missed the goal: help me!"




* Please, let me kidding a bit about it, beacuse I'm really lost.
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† Vescovo e parroco d'Arezzo - Vescovo sine cura di Cortona - Scrittore del Sant'Uffizio - Vice-prefetto italiano di Villa San Loyats - Priore dell'Abbazia Cistercense di Fornovo †

[Jolieen]

The imperial heraldry is in no way authorized to use the ecclastical charges/ surrounders such as the priest dignity.

The right way to do would be to have a "civil" knighthood Coat of Arms and your priest Coat of Arms seperately which is currently only due to the fact that there is no treaty between the imperial heraldry and the pontifical heraldry. Otherwise we would be able to make a rightful fusion Coat of Arms.

I thus will have to adress this issue since the fault was not done by you but by the imperial heraldry who should have acted rightfully which they did not by using our charges.

The work that has been done with your Coat of Arms does not meet the pontifical standards for example the usage of the "listel" has been executed in a wrong way.

I will have to see with my superiors about this case - for the moment I will personally (just like last time) take care of your Coat of Arms and make a rightful version of your bishop Coat of arms.

The violation of the rules has not been done by you - so that is none of your personal business to feel sorry about.
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[Jolieen]

Here you are Brother - as said due to the fact that there is no current treaty between the Imperial Heraldry you have to have a ecclastical Coat of Arms and may have a civil one without the ecclastical charges showing your knight Coat of Arms. It will be up to you to decide which you are wearing as it is not possible to use both or to combine them at the moment. Keep your eyes open if by any chance there will be a new treaty between the pontifical heraldry and the imperial heraldry the situation will change. But that only means that the pontifical College would be able to make a fusion of both your personal one and your knight Coat of Arms with the rightful ecclastical charge.
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[Gian_maria]

"Thanks a lot, Mother Jolieen!
Just to be sure: I can use the ecclesiastical coat of arms or the civil one, but never together. They're both valid, but for the church I'm not a knight and for the Empire my ecclesiastical roles aren't acknowledged. Is it right?"
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† Vescovo e parroco d'Arezzo - Vescovo sine cura di Cortona - Scrittore del Sant'Uffizio - Vice-prefetto italiano di Villa San Loyats - Priore dell'Abbazia Cistercense di Fornovo †

[Jolieen]

To break it down to a simple explanation - yes. At least when we talk about picture language a Coat of Arms is speaking.

As said if there is at some point an announcement about a treaty between the imperial heraldry and the pontifical heraldry you would come back here.

There is still something that does bother me a bit. Usually a knight Coat of Arms does only show your personal Coat or the Family Coat of arms. Therefor we would usually only add the knight crown to your current Coat of Arms. I do wonder why you have two different personal Coat of Arms now.

For the imperial heraldry they should simply put their knight Crown on top of your personal or family Coat of Arms without any other surrounder since it is a civil Coat of Arms.
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[Gian_maria]

"I fear it's my mistake.

Till I was created knight, I hadn't my family coat of arms, because I was no noble and I thought it was unnecessary. Then, I became knight and I asked for a coat of arms to imperial heraldry, but they sent me here because I was a priest. When I asked here for a coat of arms fit for my new civil rank you answered you couldn't satisfy my request and made the coat of arms you presently used.

Nevertheless, I had the necessity to take my civil oath as knight and I asked again to imperial heraldry, because the coat of arms you made wasn't fit to my civil rank (please, consider the fact I asked several times how I should act and I didn't understand much more than the fact that imperial and pontifical heraldries hadn't a mutual acknowledgement treaty).

Differently to the first time, imperial aralds agreed to make me a coat of arms and used the request I made initially (the one you couldn't do due to different rules pontifical heraldry has). Because of my ignorance on the matter, I didn't bring the one you made and, adding mistake to mistake, I asked for ecclesiastical surrounders and I thought that coat of arms was fit for every occasion.

Now I understand it was a sum of mistakes and it's the cause of the present situation, so I apologize.

In your opinion, is there a way to fix this misunderstanding?"
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† Vescovo e parroco d'Arezzo - Vescovo sine cura di Cortona - Scrittore del Sant'Uffizio - Vice-prefetto italiano di Villa San Loyats - Priore dell'Abbazia Cistercense di Fornovo †

[skioppo]

Markus, si presentò nell'ufficio preposto, per chiedere la realizzazione del proprio blasone, e disse

Eminenza, in seguito alla mia nomina a Barone di Bomarzo richiedo la blasonatura e la realizzazione dei sigilli.

Poi compilò la richiesta

1, nome IG esatto: Skioppo
2, nome RP e titolo(li), di nobiltà eventuale(li),: Markus GianMaria Casanova, Marchese di Serravalle, Barone di Caorso, Barone Imperiale di Giessen
3, funzioni precise in seno all'EA + Collegamento(ti), verso la nomina(ne),: Nobile Pontificio, parroco (laico) di Parma

[Jolieen]

Well you need to decide on one single Shield - which is your personal Coat of Arms. As this shield shall define you and symbolising you.

Non the less even though you requested the priestly surrounder, the right response of the imperial heraldry should have been "no we can not use this and put it around a new from us created Shield."

To make it a bit simpler - the pontifical Heraldry would not create a fief coat for a fief of the Empire either - right?

They do not have the ability to judge weather your priest appointment papers are rightful as they simply lack the knowledge to judge upon such facts.


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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[Jolieen]

Turning towards Skioppo "Could you please tell us which part of your shield belongs to which fief and who granted you each of them?"
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[skioppo]

Eminenza, tutti i feudi sono stati concessi dall'araldica dello SRING, tranne ovviamente la Baronia di Bomarzo

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Eminence, all the feuds were granted by the SRING heraldry, except of course the Barony of Bomarzo

[Jolieen]

Buono. E qualcuna di queste parti dello scudo che rappresentano lo stemma della tua famiglia è nostra personale?
Potresti fornirlo in una versione "singola"?

Good. And is any of these shield parts representing either your family coat of arms our your personal?
Could you please provide it in a "single" version?
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Cardinal-Deacon of the British Isles -Bishop In Partibus of Lamia - Prefect to the Villa of St.Loyat - Expert to the pontificial collages of Heraldry - Assessor to the Developing Churches

[skioppo]

[Adrianne.]

Buongiorno, in relazione al Marchesato di Rocca Sinibalda, chiedo l'approvazione e l'aggiunzione degli ornamenti al seguente blasone:

https://postimg.cc/k6Q7H6RW

Chiedo inoltre rispettosamente, la realizzazione dei sigilli, per i quali vorrei fosse utilizzato il gatto. Grazie

[Gian_maria]