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Malin
Inscrit le: 27 Sep 2012 Messages: 148
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Posté le: Sam Nov 01, 2014 6:00 pm Sujet du message: Ufficio Vice Prefetto del Registro Universale Romano Italian |
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En esta oficina se colgarán las novedades, anuncios y esquemas de trabajo a emplear con la finalidad de llevar a cabo el Registro Universal Romano para àrea italiana.
In this office the latest news, announcements and work schemes to be used for the purpose of carrying out the Roman Universal Register to Italian area will be posted.
Dans ce bureau les dernières nouvelles, les annonces et les plans de travail pour être utilisés aux fins de la mise en oeuvre du registre romaine universelle de la zone italienne seront affichés.
In questo ufficio saranno pubblicate le ultime notizie, annunci e programmi di lavoro da utilizzare ai fini della realizzazione del Registro romano universale per la zona italiana. _________________
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Elvyna
Inscrit le: 20 Avr 2017 Messages: 1605 Localisation: Beuil
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Posté le: Jeu Avr 26, 2018 1:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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Pontifical Chancery
Roman registers of sacraments
We, Arnarion de Valyria-Borgia, Cardinal of Saint Ripolin of the Angels, Count of Sanem and Baelen, Marquis of Ancone & governor of the March,
In our quality of Archancellor of the Holy See and following Can. L.5.6, VIII I-3, 5,
Willing to gather all sacrament certificates into the care of the Holy See as mission of the universal and roman registers of sacrament and to provide the best service to the priests and bishops around the world,
Hereby mission the General Prefect Elvyna von Riddermak to help the Italian clergy to deposit their certificates of sacraments. During this time, she will act as italian secretary.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam
Done in Rome the twenty-sixth day of April, on Tuesday, of the year of grace MCDLXVI.
Arnarion de Valyria-Borgia,
Archancellor of the Holy See.
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[b]We, Arnarion de Valyria-Borgia, Cardinal of Saint Ripolin of the Angels, Count of Sanem and Baelen, Marquis of Ancone & governor of the March,
In our quality of Archancellor of the Holy See and following Can. L.5.6, VIII I-3, 5, [/b]
Willing to gather all sacrament certificates into the care of the Holy See as mission of the universal and roman registers of sacrament and to provide the best service to the priests and bishops around the world,
Hereby mission the General Prefect Elvyna von Riddermak to help the Italian clergy to deposit their certificates of sacraments. During this time, she will act as italian secretary.
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[b]Done in Rome the twenty-sixth day of April, on Tuesday, of the year of grace MCDLXVI.[/b]
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[i][b]Arnarion de Valyria-Borgia,
Archancellor of the Holy See.[/b][/i]
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Elvyna
Inscrit le: 20 Avr 2017 Messages: 1605 Localisation: Beuil
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Posté le: Mar Mai 01, 2018 7:50 pm Sujet du message: |
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NReis a écrit: | Dear Vice-Prefect,
After doing a report on the entire Registers, I've a plan for the Italian Registers.
Considering the list below of the Italian-speaking provinces, there are 8 different provinces in the Italian peninsula. If we were to do a different topic for each type of ceremony (baptisms, marriages, funerals and ordinations), we would have 32 different topics (4 times . I believe that 32 topics make the register a bit heavy for searching of ceremonies.
Having said that, I've a proposal. I believe we could put some provinces' registers with other provinces' registers, so that we could make the Italian Registers more functional. By looking again at the list below, we can see that there are provinces with only 5/6 parishes, while others have nearly 15 parishes. Therefore, joining some provinces' registers might be a good idea.
Here is my proposal:
- Aquileia + Ravenna = 15 parishes
- Milano + Genova = 12 parishes
- Pisa + Firenze + Siena = 13 parishes
- Capua = 15 parishes
By my proposal, we reach not only a somehow similar number of parishes but also make the Italian registers more functional, by having only 16 topics instead of 32.
I would like to hear your opinion about this, if you may.
Thank you very much,
HE NReis Ribeiro de Sousa Coutinho
Citation: | Province of Aquileia:
Pola
Parenzo
Udine
Portoguaro
Treviso
Venezia
Padova
Verona
Mantoue
Province of Ravenna:
Mirandola
Guastalla
Modena
Piacenza
Parma
Fornovo
Province of Milano:
Como
Milano
Lodi
Alessandria
Navara
Pavia
Savona
Province of Genova:
La Spezia
Chiavari
Genova
Albenga
Ventimiglia
Province of Pisa:
Pisa
Massa
San Miniato
Livorno
Volterra
Province of Firenze:
Firenze
Pistoia
Montevarchi
Province of Siena:
Piombino
Siena
Grosseto
Santa Fiora
Orbetello
Province of Capua:
Capua
Sessa Arunca
Gaeta
Terracina
Pontecorvo
Sora
Sulmana
Avezzano
Tagiacozzo
Chieti
Aquila
Terramo
Silvi
Montepulciano
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I received this from Prefect NReis Ribeiro de Sousa Coutinho. What could you have tried? |
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seraphine23
Inscrit le: 19 Avr 2016 Messages: 561
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 8:05 am Sujet du message: |
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Excellency,
ah, do you tell the archdioceses to join groups of two to streamline the work? then Aquileia Ravenna in a single register I say well? we can try but then the posts made by the predecessor Fuego should be removed and put back otherwise or so would be a little confusing according to me or leave it as it is and add other new rooms [post] divided as you said because the idea is great |
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Fenice Cardinal
Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 11964
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 8:15 am Sujet du message: |
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Sorry for my intervention, but Aquileia + Ravenna is absolutely nonsense, I don't understand why. It seems logical that decisions for territories that you don't know (and this is normal) are taken by someone who lives there and knows the situation.
Ravenna is a part of the SRING; Aquileia is not.
They are two different ecclesiastical provinces, with a different hyerarchy, different heads and slightly different rules.
You need an Italian expert, otherwise all the work will be useless.
The number of parishes is irrelevant; keep the provinces separate as they are.
32 topics is not a problem, on the contrary, merge different provinces will be a big mess and would mean to waste a lot of time everytime you need to search something. _________________
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Elvyna
Inscrit le: 20 Avr 2017 Messages: 1605 Localisation: Beuil
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 6:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Thank you for your intervention, the purpose of all this is to find easily in the records. So make storage easy and understandable. |
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Arnarion Cardinal
Inscrit le: 11 Fév 2015 Messages: 5974 Localisation: Marche d'Ancône
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 7:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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Elvyna, this was an internal proposal to be debated in ... internal between the Prefect, you and me. Why is it already applicated without any kind of decision?!
Would you kindly put away all of this?
To Fenice
Thank you for your advices anyway. _________________
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NReis
Inscrit le: 16 Mai 2012 Messages: 2658 Localisation: Chaves - Kingdom of Portugal
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 7:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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In fact this was only an internal proposal, that's why I sent to the Vice-Prefect and the Chancellor by private letter. HE Arnarion, if we could discuss this idea privately, it would be great.
Sister Fenice, thank you very much for your feedback. In fact, it was precious for us to rethink this proposal. _________________ His Excellency NReis Ribeiro de Sousa Coutinho | Archbishop of Braga | Vice-Primate of the Kingdom of Portugal | General Secretary of the Roman Registers | Writer of the Saint Office | Translator on Villa San Loyats
Diploma Curso Professoral |
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Fenice Cardinal
Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 11964
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 7:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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You are welcome. I just add that we have our archives and our system, it works well and we are used to that for years. Changing it would mean creating big problems and wasting a lot of time. I ask you to discuss it with those who know well the system that we use in the halls of Italian ecumene.
Thank you. _________________
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Arnarion Cardinal
Inscrit le: 11 Fév 2015 Messages: 5974 Localisation: Marche d'Ancône
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 7:33 pm Sujet du message: |
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Then the best thing to do is to don't touch the actual italian classification plan and ask the clergy to bring a copy of all certificates here. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal
Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 11964
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 9:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, this will be the best solution. Every time we write a record in our usual archive in the Ecumene, we write it here too. With the same classification plan.
Simple, clear, tidy. _________________
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Arnarion Cardinal
Inscrit le: 11 Fév 2015 Messages: 5974 Localisation: Marche d'Ancône
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 10:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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Very well ! If there's no any further remark, I would say problem solved.
It would be nice that one of the italian bishops or cardinals takes the function of Italian secretary here to work alongside Sister Seraphine and to give a monitoring plan on italian regiters. _________________
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Fenice Cardinal
Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 11964
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Posté le: Mer Mai 02, 2018 10:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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We can ask if there is a bishop interested in this work.
Otherwise, I will be glad to help... but first, it is right to ask for someone else.
... I think we have a volunteer... Silvio_1 is interested and willing to help. _________________
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Arnarion Cardinal
Inscrit le: 11 Fév 2015 Messages: 5974 Localisation: Marche d'Ancône
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Posté le: Ven Mai 04, 2018 8:05 am Sujet du message: |
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Great. Can you introduce him to me, please? _________________
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Fenice Cardinal
Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 11964
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Posté le: Ven Mai 04, 2018 9:34 am Sujet du message: |
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Do you mean, invite him here to meet you? I think this evening we can be here. _________________
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