L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Kiscsillag.]

It is not basically a religion issue.

The hungarian members of the Autocephalus church in the last years cheated, attacked the aristotelan church and done anything to get power.

Based on those facts, and that they did not even tried to discuss anything before they now tried to get Veszprém - behind our backs - and even if we skip the fact that those priests are mostly clones of Eregen, Sava and Analise, they are not welcome to annex any part of the Hungarian church.

Those who are writing here, be honest. If someone just would wrote to the Admins that they want to kick someone else from their position and get its ingame seat, you would find it righteous? Really? And this would be at least their second try. Before this they got our archdiocese and lied to Brennos about it. So it is not a religious issue. It is a moral issue. Fair play issue.
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe

[Kiscsillag.]

Because the other topic is not for arguments:

[Iosephus]

As a member of the Hungarian Council I confirm, what Kiscsillag said. The Hungarian Council never voted about the change of the Church.
In case of Esztergom Arion, at that time the count of the Hungarian Council requested it from the admins. There wasn't any kind of voting in the Council.
In case of Veszprém the the majority of the Council didn't know about the request.
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[Eregen]

Dear My Brothers and Sisters in the Aristotelian Faith!

The real church with the ortheos doxos faith is our Holy Church. The romans hasn't got any faithfull. The Roman Church has not any active member in the land of Hungary. Then they just see that has been a church wich is more active than they had ever been. We has so many active member who are see the faithfulls needings and belongings. This is one of a resault for the changing.
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"Úgy légy másnak barátja, hogy magad ellensége ne légy!"
"Tempora permutas nec tu mutaris in illis"

[Kiscsillag.]

Are you reading what you are writing or you just believe that everyone here is a newborn baby and will believe your lies? First of all, this is an OOC topic, second, you have max 5 players as faithfuls who are not retired or dead or inactive - and I don't go in there who is with whom on the same computer, because at the end you'll leave with 5 members, but including those who plays priests. We have more than 50 players as faithfuls, 3 as cardinals, 4 as bishops, and several priests.

We are not active? I really don't who who started to harass us on the forums by following everywhere and make a scene... Oh, yes, it was you. Since Aranykorona, who is now plays as Sava was expelled, you always tries to attack those who wants to play nicely. No one ever wrote to your topics to make your game impossible from us, but you always made a move - lying to admins, trying to steal dioceses several times until Arion joined you and Sava was put there as archbishop by his loving friend and without the agreement of anyone else.

You make impossible to play nicely or to play next to each other, because you always cries when we stand up against your willfully cheater acts, but when you intentionally disturb our game, you're a saint and a martyr as always, right?

Oh, I forgot to mention that you intentionally use the SAME name for your church to trick the players...
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe

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[Eregen]

If i listen well your post you chamge the names to your's name. But not this is the main problem.

The main problem is that not we lying. I know that the true is a very unbelivable thing but would be all better if you already stood it: the most of people are inactive because of you and left the game, not of me. We try to play this play but we cannot with you. The counts are know it, so they support us of course if already this will be a play.
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"Úgy légy másnak barátja, hogy magad ellensége ne légy!"
"Tempora permutas nec tu mutaris in illis"

[Kiscsillag.]

I hope you are well and the ceiling hasn't fell on you yet because of your lies.
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe

[Eregen]

Thanks for your concern. I never eta better than today.
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"Úgy légy másnak barátja, hogy magad ellensége ne légy!"
"Tempora permutas nec tu mutaris in illis"

[Egal]

I'm sorry to intervene, but I must underline that before arguing about wrong concepts and limits difficult to follow (and so much strict that they're ruining the will of participating), You have to try to conform with them: there isn't a worse rewiever than the one who hadn't read the book.
And if anyone thinks that a good rule is the easier one to follow and the one which leaves the chance to do everything and easily get every power all over other people, I think he/she isn't trying really to understand that choice.
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Bishop In Partibus of Beyrouth
Roman Emeritus Cardinal
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[Kiscsillag.]

History:

Sava as Aranykorona played an archbishop for years, then he kicked out everyone from the Hungarian church except himself, Habsburg_mark (who then was a girl and named as Analise) and Iosephus.
He was removed by the curia. He appeared then as patriarch of the autocephalous church.

http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=32984&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=285
- Sava wrotes to the admins to cheat out our archbishop from his seat in 2013 and to put him into the seat, he succeeds for several days, then he is removed by Brennos

After that he wrotes a letter that he has the support of Brennos for the religion change, and Brennos appears on our secondary forum to tell everyone it's a lie. This was archived by our admin (who by the way threatened me with a religion change supported by her because I didn't want to sanctify IG a marriage which was not played on the forum, Brennos shall remember this also), but I'm sure you'll be able to find it if you want.

http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=32984&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=585
- Eregen wants to get Veszprém by linking the admins a Hungarian unofficial nomination
http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=32984&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=615
- Sava tries again several days later
They fail.

http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=32984&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=660
- Arion wrotes his letter about the religion change
- They start to use the same name as the Roman Church
- Sava states himself they only want Esztergom

Our faithfuls:
http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewforum.php?f=748

Of course, because a lot of player are here since the beginning, there are dead ones. But even without them we have a lot.

They get 5 new ones since they got Esztergom, and most of them are several days or max weeks old. The others are dead, inactive, returned to us or...*
http://forum2.kiralysagok.com/viewforum.php?f=9399

Even if it also unfair that they have Esztergom with only 5-10 players (*and you'd be surprised if you'd check who is on the same comp with whom...) but now you give them another one even if there was an unofficial agreement that they will not ask for it.

So what we ask is to not assist such a "play" which ruins the game for so many people, just because Arion and Shedunul as counts play like this, without the support of anyone except Sava, who is not member of the political force... Make a line which shall not be crossed just because a rule can applied without considering the result. Please.

I don't think that it's a lifelike situation that a player who is currently plays as count can change the whole kingdom's religion just by writing a letter to you...
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe

[Shedunul]

So... let's get try to understand each other! My predecessor appointment Sava as Archbishop of Esztergom. The episcopate of Győr and Veszprém is in the province of the archishop.

[Kiscsillag.]

How do you know who support anyone if there was never ever a vote about the changes? It was never mentioned anywhere before it took place and witnesses already wrote this before. and the majority of the chamber was baptized by us - even you by the way.

And by the way, it's not about me or you, it's about two groups of players. If you'd have problem with me, there would have been an official way to deal with it. But you punish several people by ruining the gameplay of the majority because you want revenge. Sava's first act was to kick out everyone from everywhere in Esztergom. Deja vu.

You too already stated several times that this situation is not good, and you wanted to put another (non ordinated) person as Archbishop instead of Sava when he started to play all the roles in Esztergom as parish priest, archbishop and everything and when there was no IG mass for months and a lot of people were complaining on the forums.

Iosephus was nominated as watcher to talk to each party, and since we asked you to say a name who can be by the rules nominated as archbishop and who is not me, if you have personal problems with me, only silence was the answer. You only hold pique against me and there is no logical reasoning behind your act. I'm feeling sorry for you because of this, it can be a really bitter life...

And no, war and violence is not the answer to such a situation where the question is the religion. Even if you and Arion already ordered the killing of those who you thought can make any harm.... It's your style not ours.

One time you says oh, we still part of Rome, the other you clinging tenaciously to Sava. You rotates the way the wind blows.

I know that the player of our late queen is your friend, but if you think it's abuse to play by the rules, you shall try to think again. Maybe you think only those rules apply to you which are in your favor, but it's not true.
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe

[Arion]

The church can fulfill its mission only with the leadership of Sava.

As a Count I made the right decision that time, I would do the same now.

[Kiscsillag.]

What church? You don't even know the name of it. Sometimes it autocephalous, then aristotelic, then national, then ortodox. Mission? Without canon law, dogma? Oh, yes, they have one mission: to force the IRL greek catholic religion to everyone who you met in the pub whether they are interested or - mainly - not. Why shall someone do this in a game?

Last time Sava started this, he reduced the clerics to 3 person, then he was removed. Now you forced him back, and wow, there are 3 clerics again and you start to force everywhere the greek catholic religion. Sava and Eregen even using it on the forums as "RP" announcements with words and expressions that are not used in any IG religion. They play their IRL life here. Which would not be a big problem, but they force everyone else to assist them in it.
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SE Vidigueira-Szapáry Kiscsillag
Cardinal-Presbyter Emeritus of the Papal Consistory of Central and Eastern Europe