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Serdan



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MessagePosté le: Sam Mai 02, 2015 6:04 pm    Sujet du message: Holy Order. Répondre en citant

Greetings all,

I am here today to ask about english Holy Orders within the Church. I have been a member of Her Sacred Rose since long before the Reformation, a well meaning but virtually inactive order, that is now overseen by the reformed church. I am interested to know if there are any who would be interested in establishing some sort of order, be it simply militia or knightly, for those of the true faith who want to serve in a military/defense capacity for the English speaking isles.

Jah Bless.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 12:23 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hello Serdan!

To be honest I've always been puzzled by the need for a military order for the Church in the anglophone areas as I'm not sure what active role it would take as such orders are for the defense of the faith, rather than a general military defense of the temporal governments. We tend not to crusade in the British Isles and any military action there is overseen by the temporal authorities. And I'm not sure that those who profess interest in serving the Church in a military sense are that keen on the thought of travelling to join Crusades overseas that are overseen by the Congregation of Holy Armies - but then it may be that whoever led the OSR in the past never took much active interest in finding out about those opportunities and passing them on to the members of the Order? I honestly don't know, but you may know more on that point.

But, having said all that, I would be interested in hearing your ideas! It's the sort of thing I know little about and so different perspectives are very much welcome to lift my ignorance on such things.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 1:22 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thank you for your response Mother Catriona! As you have said, there really hasnt been much crusading by the English speaking faithful, though I do not think such an option has ever been opened up for us. As for Her Sacred Rose, I believe it was established to bring together both those who wished to pursue a life of a Holy Knight, as well as a (RP) order for Clergy. Functionally, it provided combat ready faithful to escort clergy members wherever was needed.

I am wanting to know if our leadership would be open to establishing another such group for the interested faithful to join, and to allow it to serve our clergy.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 2:35 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Well, far be it for me to squash any interest or enthusiasm ^^

Having taken a quick look into the archives, when the OSR jumped to the Reformers, there was discussion of new orders being established although that discussion lapsed after a while, mainly because there wasn't a particular member of the clergy to champion the cause asides from Cardinal Mirceadino who sadly passed on. I'll raise it again and let ye know as soon as I have word.

In the meantime, I'll hunt out the requirements for a military order to be recognised by the Curia for your information - as I'm assuming ye'd like to be involved in any order established, aye? And if ye'd like to start to formulate any ideas ye have with regards to how the order would be arranged, so that if it happens, we have a starting point.

How's that sound?
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 3:18 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

That sounds most grand, mother Catriona. Thank you for your assistance! Very Happy
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 8:49 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I for one am a strong supporter for such an order!

Why did the Sacred Rose fail was the strong will to serve the crown more than the church; yet the Military orders are the ones who give us a golden way to show what do virtues and a true chivalry way are all about.

People who are earnestly dedicated to the real meaning behind an OMR are truly to be respected; I've worked closely with the OMR's when I was a secretary for the Holy Armies and I still should have some people there who I know so I should be able to get the recognition for the initial phase if you get at least 5 members. The real requirements are:

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- the presence of ten active members;
- that all its members are Aristotelian believers;
- that all the members who have committed crimes or malefactions have confessed and been purged by their sins;
- that the leading and high ranking members have no problems with Justice and are baptised;
- that the group possesses a statute imposing the Aristotelian religion as unique faith of the Order;
- this statute has to be in conformity with the Canon and the Dogma;
- the integration in the statute of the present oath which is obligatory for every member of the group;



Now as the English Speaking Zone we can have the ESPC acknowledge the order when you have a proper charter and leadership convened.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mai 03, 2015 8:52 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Wonderful! I will start asking around this week and see about gathering up some interested members.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 04, 2015 12:35 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hey Serdan, I do recall in reading history..yes the Clergy did have their own military for protection and escorting from one place to another place. But however, if I remember reading right that it WAS the clergy that approved the Crusades they knighted the knights specifically for the Crusades. So there fore, I do not see any reason WHY not the Clergy have some kind of military protection of their own for their travels. Like always it is best to travel in groups anyhow does not matter if it is military, retinue or just a group of 5 people. I am entertained with the idea of having military for the Clergy.

By the way, can someone clarify me this, what is OSR? I need to familiarize it for myself so that in the future I will know what OSR is.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 04, 2015 3:45 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Well, this all looks grand Smile I've raised it with the clergy once more and with Brother Koolike being a strong supporter I think this will actually happen if enough folk are interested!

James, I can give you the basic information that we have on the OSR for the seminary course here, but beyond that I'm not sure who is in charge of it these days or what they are up to, as it is now in the hands of the Reformed Church. But I believe ye are part of the Reformed Church so ye should be able to get further information from them.

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The Holy and Chivalrous Order of Her Sacred Rose (HSR) is the Religious Military Order responsible for the safety and welfare of the Clergy, Pilgrims and believers of the Church in England, Scotland and Ireland, but that is not it's only calling. Understanding that everything comes in balance, Her Sacred Rose also pursues the scholarly aspects of our faith: writing, researching, and creating; all for the Church's glory.

The Order holds the values of the Church in a higher regard and strictly enforces them amongst those who volunteer their service to it, while maintaining it is our will that we strengthen our lives through this increased adherence to absolute value and doctrine, we do not require all believers to do so. It is an Order devoted to fellowship, where those of like mind and direction may come and commune with one another, to share thoughts and ideas, while devoting their time and energies to the glorification of Holy Mother Church.

The order is kept alive within the ranks of the English Reformed Church, but they still provide protection for member of the Universal Roman and Aristotelian Church as well.

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