L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Fenice]

Dear Brothers and Sisters, unfortunately the Empire continues on its path contrary to Dogma and the Church. On this road it is supported and accompanied by rulers who show that they consider secular laws to be totally superior to religious ones.

I present to you an up-to-date report.
The Duchess of Savoy, Tiffany de Belle-Rivière known as Thibali, presented a request to the Imperial Court concerning the legitimacy of the concordat between Savoy and the Church. The question was whether there were any violations of imperial law in the concordat.
The Court issued a ruling on 1 January 1471, listing the articles of the concordat that went against the Bulla Aurea and the Magna Charta.
With skill, the Court concluded the ruling by stating that the concordat and the cited articles were not null and void, but were inapplicable. Note the subtlety worthy of an experienced lawyer.
The judgment was made by Etienne Cyprien Hull Amenediel de Mortelane, Hélie di Leostilla, Telfusa Cortéz D'Oria Caracciolo, Nicolo Leone Arnod Sforza (Dagyar II), Georien von Connacht and Findecano de Brancion.

My final considerations are these: so far, there has been no reaction from other rulers, and this ruling will not prevent us from continuing our diplomatic meetings to update or write new concordats. However, this ruling sets a dangerous precedent, which will make future discussions even more difficult and perhaps lead to negative outcomes.
I enclose a copy of the ruling.

[Urbain_mastiggia]

- Helie di Leostilla is a priest of our Church.
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[Francesco_maria]

"From the point of view of the Empire it seems to me that the answer is correct and legitimate. It is up to us to evaluate this signal and reflect on our role in society and reconsider the role of the Holy Church in the Kingdoms."
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[Sixtus]

Sadly, this is not the first time the imperial court has intervened against a concordat; even more sadly, this will likely not be the last.
This occurrence once again shows the need for a widespread and stable presence, both ecclesiastical and diplomatic, in Aristotelian territories. The lack of shepherds and ambassadors is as urgent as ever.
Without continued contact with our faithful and their secular rulers, we will not be able to convey Church teachings and, as in this case, pressure local rulers to follow them.
Let us not forget that, while these judgments are passed by the imperial court, they are requested by provincial regents and the imperial judges themselves are selected by the imperial diet.
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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik

[Adonnis]

Brothers, this matter is still pending.

Opinions?

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Pie de Valence]

FR : Je redis ce que j'ai déjà dit plusieurs fois. La solution est dans la séparation de l'Eglise et de l'Etat. Après cette séparation, chacun se mêle de ses affaires et l'intervention de l'Etat dans les affaires de l'Eglise devient illégitime.

IT : Ripeto ciò che ho già detto più volte. La soluzione sta nella separazione della Chiesa dallo Stato. Dopo questa separazione, ognuno si intromette nei propri affari e l'intervento dello Stato negli affari della Chiesa diventa illegittimo.

ANG : I repeat what I have already said several times. The solution lies in separation of Church and State. After this separation, everyone gets involved in his affairs and the intervention of a State in the Church's affairs becomes illegitimate.
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"Le modernisme n'est ni une dérive, ni une horreur, ni une maladie honteuse. C'est le terreau de la rénovation de l'Eglise, la terreur des conservateurs, l'air pur qui vivifiera la foi" (Pie II de Valence)
"On n'est jamais dans le mensonge quand on prêche la paix et l'apaisement, toujours quand on prêche la haine d'autrui" (Pie II de Valence)

[Adonnis]

Is there any news of the outcome of this matter, Sister Fenice?

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Francesco_maria]

[Fenice]

We have the first consequence in imperial territory after the publication of the law on so-called civil unions.
I have been discussing a new concordat with the Duchy of Modena - for such a long time that I no longer remember when we started.
The Duchy does not accept the articles concerning Aristotelian marriage as the only valid form of union. I had to rewrite them to find a formulation that does not betray Dogma and at the same time circumvents the objections of the pro-imperialists.
We shall see if they are accepted; in the meantime, the Duke has changed for the umpteenth time.
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[Pie de Valence]