L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[pamelita]

Dear Brothers, I am here to ask your opinion on the lifting of the excommunication of Elaena de Troy.
She had been appointed Imperial spokeswoman by Emperor Caesar Copona.
Perhaps out of naivety or perhaps gripped by pride in such an office, she failed to see that this false offer of power concealed a far more serious pitfall.

Caesar's thirst for revenge led her to open the Basilica of Bologna to organise a schism that we all still remember with bitterness. Of course, she could have shirked this task, but gripped by the fear of becoming a traitor to the empire she blindly obeyed the emperor's orders.

Now she seems sincerely repentant and asks for forgiveness for her sins .... I have asked her, always if she receives forgiveness, to atone for her sins by serving the church... so she has promised to enter the pontifical university to study and become a deacon and thus serve the church.

In my opinion she deserves forgiveness, but I would like some advice from you, as well as your opinion on the matter, on the punishment to be given to her in order to atone for her guilt.

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[silvio_1]

Strange thing that you forgive only one person for the errors of Copona , while for others who have made the same mistake , the doors of forgiveness are closed and emerially sealed. But I wonder, strangely enough, why indicate only the Pontifical University , when you find other seminaries scattered throughout the various lands.
Cosa strana che si perdoni una sola persona per gli errori di Copona , mentre per altri che hanno fatto uguale errore , le porte del perdono siano chiuse e emerticamente sigillate. Ma mi chiedo , stranamente il perchè indicare solo la Pontificia Università , quando si trovano altri Seminari sparsi per le varie terre.
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[Francesco_maria]

"I state that I don't know this person however, I only notice a certain inconsistency, Cardinal Silvio, if you are so keen on having excommunications similar to this proposal lifted by Mother Pamelita, I don't see why you should be dubious indeed, you should be happy with this proposal because maybe it could open a window for other cases and unblock a situation that, too, I believe has been stuck for too long.

As for your traditional conspiracy theory, I believe that the question is simply due to the fact that, in the current situation, the only Seminary with a course in French held by a French professor is at the Pontifical University, nothing more.

Having said that, returning to the real problem under consideration, I would say that we can also hear the opinion of our French brothers cardinals who perhaps know this lady and then evaluate it together.

If she wish to sincerely serve the Holy Church, I believe that this proposal can be taken into consideration, but not to tie her possible pardon to the obligation to become a deacon."
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[silvio_1]

Francesco lascia perdere ho settantanni stò vecchio non rincoglionito
E tu saresti uno che ha studiato a S Domenico e non sai che insegnano in tutte le lingue? Persino lo spagnolo !
Per la cosa dei scomunicati sarei contento certo!
Se le cose fossero uguali per tutti e non solo per alcuni che attendono da anni
Lascia perdereeeee !!

Francis lets go I’m seventy-nine old not dumb
And you would be one who studied at S Domenico and you don’t know that they teach in all languages? They weigh Spanish!
For the excommunicated thing I would certainly be pleased!
If things were the same for everyone and not just for some who have been waiting for years
Let it go and do it!!
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[Pie de Valence]

FR : Plutôt qu'une punition, je verrais un exercice pédagogique. A l'issue de sa formation, sa première messe devra expliquer quelles erreurs elle a commises afin d'inciter d'autres personnes à ne pas les commettre.

IT : Piuttosto che una punizione, vedrei un esercizio pedagogico. Al termine della sua formazione, la sua prima messa dovrà spiegare quali errori ha commesso per indurre altre persone a non commetterli.

ANG : Rather than punishment, I would see it as an educational exercise. At the end of her training, her first Mass will have to explain what mistakes she made in order to encourage others not to commit them.
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[Fenice]

I have my doubts.
First of all, we must wisely assess the seriousness of the faults of all those who participated in the Copona follies, because these faults are not all equal.
We must also consider that there were also people who refused to obey Copona, and suffered no reprisals, so to say that they were afraid of being accused of treason is too easy.
Last thing: the desire to atone by serving the Church must be completely separate from penance.
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[Kalixtus]

I trust the judgement of Sister Pamelita.

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[Francesco_maria]

"I too have full confidence in Cardinal Pamelita's judgment. But I also share the thought of Cardinal Fenice, the facts related to the follies of Emperor Copona are serious, but I think it is right to start mending these tears and start a path of reconciliation with those who sincerely want it, obviously evaluating case by case."
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[Sixtus]

This case does indeed require a detailed study. What actions did she take to prove her repentance besides promising to serve the Church in the future? Did she acknowledge her faults and try to rectify them?
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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik

[Roderic_]

I am a bit puzzled about your sentence, brother. The translator may have meant something different.

[silvio_1]

perdonami fratello Roderic colpa del traduttore
la parola è: insegnano anche lo spagnolo
forgive me brother Roderic fault of translator
the word is: they also teach Spanish
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[pamelita]

So.

Let me preface this by saying that Elaena has not been subjected to any kind of pressure from me, I have only broached to her the idea of being able to resume her journey of faith, interrupted by the facts we all know.

It is her desire to get back on the right path, which seems sincere to me, that speaks for her.

Then we know well that by now the conspiracy theory is part and parcel of some 'colleagues' who, in order to find the hair in the egg, try to throw mud where there is none.
I am sure that if I had said that the girl does not deserve forgiveness, they would have started by saying that she does, so I prefer to overlook it.

Holy Father, I am waiting for the girl's correctly written letter of abjuration, since in her previous one. she did not specify her responsibilities and faults.




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Allora..

Premetto che Elaena non è stata sottoposta a nessun tipo di pressione da parte mia, le ho solo ventilato l'idea di poter riprendere il suo cammino di fede, interotto dai fatti che conosciamo tutti.

E' il suo desiderio di tornare sulla retta via, che a me sembra sincero, a parlare per lei.

Poi sappiamo bene che ormai la teoria del complotto è parte integrante di alcuni ''colleghi'' che pur di trovare il pelo nell'uovo cercano di gettare fango dove non c'è.
Sono certa che se avessi detto che la ragazza non merita il perdono , avrebbero esordito dicendo che invece lo merita, quindi preferisco sorvolare.

Santo Padre, sto attendendo dalla ragazza la lettera di abiura correttamente scritta , visto che nella sua precedente.. non ha specificato le sue responsabilità e colpe.
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[silvio_1]

No Comment!!
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[Francesco_maria]

"Going further... it would be good, to allow this Sacred College to fully evaluate, to have all the information. Perhaps by reconstructing the story of lady Elaena and how she came to be excommunicated it would be good to understand the story."
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[pamelita]

Dear brothers, here is Elaena's abjuration I hope it is sufficient to dispel your doubts, if not, I will be happy to answer your questions.