L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Roderic_]

Dear brothers and sisters, I come to you because of a terrible event that occurred in Hispanic lands last Sunday. To give a general context, the Kingdom of Valencia and the Crown of Aragon are at war with the Iberian Alliance, which is made up of the Kingdom of Aragon, the Principality of Catalonia and the Crown of Castile and Leon. This war has been going on for more than a year, but has had several truces and has recently been revived, with France joining as an ally of the Iberian Alliance.

But the reason I come to you is because of the attack carried out by 5 Valencian armies last Sunday. Consciously violating our Sunday truce and God's peace, which was twice reminded to all Hispanic leaders, politicians and military. Here is the proof of the attack of the five armies:

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As you will see, the armies are as follows:

• The army "Many enemies, much honour, Win or die!" led by Enricomaria
  
• The "Trottolino" army led by Barbera
  
• The "Liberty2" army led by Piraccini
  
• The "Freedom1" army led by Helein
  
• The "Freedom4" army led by Kim

And as the Licet Dominum laudare says:

[Kalixtus]

A clear case of excommunicatio l.s.

Sadly

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[Adonnis]

Given the history of the situation and the length of time it has gone on without a definitive response, under the terms of the internal rules, we will consider this case to be one of urgency.

Thus, the discussion period will be three days. At the end, if we all agree, consensus will be invoked.

As my own opinion, I join the manifestations of Cardinals Roderic and Kalixtus.

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Francesco_maria]

[Pie de Valence]

Do we have the military means to enforce this rule ? Do we have the means to send peace militias to separate the combatants? The answer is no. So why go and get into trouble by excommunicating people we don't have the power to coerce in reality ? The world has changed. Every day we lose followers because we refuse to see it and remain on an outdated vision.
Let us take care of what is really important for our religion. Let the laity settle their affairs among themselves.

As brother Bob Dylan, a late monk of my diocese, used to say

Come gather ‘round people
Wherever you roam,
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown.
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone,
If your time to you
Is worth saving
Then you better start swimming
Or you'll sink like a stone,
For the times they are a-changin'!
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"Le modernisme n'est ni une dérive, ni une horreur, ni une maladie honteuse. C'est le terreau de la rénovation de l'Eglise, la terreur des conservateurs, l'air pur qui vivifiera la foi" (Pie II de Valence)
"On n'est jamais dans le mensonge quand on prêche la paix et l'apaisement, toujours quand on prêche la haine d'autrui" (Pie II de Valence)

[Fenice]

Unfortunately, I know many of them personally. They are Genoese who chose the path of distance for political reasons, but in reality they simply took their thirst for violence, revenge, power elsewhere. Their aim is probably not to go against the Church, but they have violated the truce and certainly, if any of them were aware of this, they thought that the reason for war and violence outweighed that of faith.
Excommunication is the right result, though I doubt it is a problem for them.
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[Pere_Setzefonts]

Certainly, unfortunately, we lived terrible moments with the attack of the Valencian forces on Tortosa, Catalonia, the past day. As I have given my best esteem Roderic, we request that you ens ill lumineu and that if you seem to be, we take a position in response
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Monsenyor Pere Setzefonts i D'Entença
Cardenal diaca de Sant Posseidó de Montserrat, Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona, Mossèn de Vic, Membre de l'AEH, Baró Palatí de Sant Joan de Latran, Baró d'Entença, Vescomte del Comtat d'Osona, Senyor de la Coca de Sucre

[pamelita]

Unfortunately, as my eminent brothers have already said, it is evident that the violation of the Sunday truce can only lead to excommunication.
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[Adonnis]

And why would an army be necessary, brother? The Truce of God is a defining standard of conduct. All it takes is one warlike movement on the Holy Day and the Truce is broken.

In contrast, the Peace of God, which is a protection properly recognized by the Church in a specific case, can be guaranteed with the use of military forces, as was the case when the Holy Armies intervened in Orbetello to guarantee the maintenance of the Peace of God decreed by His Holiness.



Pie de Valence a écrit:

Do we have the military means to enforce this rule ? Do we have the means to send peace militias to separate the combatants? The answer is no. So why go and get into trouble by excommunicating people we don't have the power to coerce in reality ? The world has changed. Every day we lose followers because we refuse to see it and remain on an outdated vision. Let us take care of what is really important for our religion. Let the laity settle their affairs among themselves. As brother Bob Dylan, a late monk of my diocese, used to say Come gather ‘round people Wherever you roam, And admit that the waters Around you have grown. And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone, If your time to you Is worth saving Then you better start swimming Or you'll sink like a stone, For the times they are a-changin'!

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Roderic_]

It seems strange to me, that a brother would see the Sunday Truce as less. To add to the case, I copy part of the communiqué issued by the Valencian Government, where they recognise the Valencia attack on Sunday. And they are so shameless that they even publish a list of all those they have hurt.

[Pie de Valence]

[Pere_Setzefonts]

We don't requiere you to go and shed more blood. What obssesion whit the blood. Enough is already poured out and breaking the Peace Of Lord.

We require that since they are not able to praise the Lord on Holy Day, they be expelled from the aristotlr family.
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Monsenyor Pere Setzefonts i D'Entença
Cardenal diaca de Sant Posseidó de Montserrat, Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona, Mossèn de Vic, Membre de l'AEH, Baró Palatí de Sant Joan de Latran, Baró d'Entença, Vescomte del Comtat d'Osona, Senyor de la Coca de Sucre

[Ulli]

As some of my brethren have already remarked, we should punish those who are baptized, for those sinners should know, appropriately with the means at our disposal.
Those who have not received baptism will certainly care less for their souls are already lost

[Pie de Valence]

[Francesco_maria]

"What seems worrying to me is that we are surprised by the cardinals who smoke cigarettes in the rooms of the Sacred College but not by the cardinals who come drunk and babble about nonsense of which they have not the slightest idea!

Cardinal Pie allow me to tell you that you are out of this world how can such an argument be made? Our duty is for the faithful and if the faithful violate ecclesiastical law by making war on Sunday, the day of the Most High, it is right to rebuke them. The fact that it has no practical value does not mean that action should not be taken.

If we give space to such reasoning we should gradually dismantle the entire ecclesiastical institution because it doesn't change anything to anyone anyway... I'm really appalled by the statements that a cardinal with a long career like you allows himself to make."
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