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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 16, 2023 1:14 pm Sujet du message: New Dean - Elections |
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I ask the college that is still in existence.
Where is the dean?
Shall we have the Swiss Guard look for him. I notice that the periodic absence of the dean is now going on longer and longer. I see we have a leadership that is withdrawing more and more and Rome soon resembles ancient ruins.
I worry more seriously than ever these days about this circumstance, which inevitably adds to the chaos around us.
We have serious issues that have landed on the tableau of processing and hear nothing from the Dean or Vice-Dean, and nothing from the Pope who should be calling the appropriate Congregations acting in his name to do their work.
I am not pleased with this current situation and I must strongly remind everyone that our service here in the Curia and to the body of the Church is VOCATION and not a fun event that we take on in between.
Nor do I want to hear unnecessary, because baseless, excuses about things like - I have so much to do in my diocese, I can't do anything. We all know that these are pseudo excuses.
I can only seriously advise that all those who think they are not up to the job of cardinal because they are busy with their own diocese and work on the local level, then these cardinals should give up their responsible positions and make room for people who can still do this job and who will not allow this Church to be led into the abyss of ruins.
This also applies to the dean, who inevitably has to ask himself this question when he has not been seen for more than half a month without a sign-off or an indication that he has withdrawn to the conclave.
This state of affairs is no longer acceptable. This criticism affects the entire leadership of the Church. _________________

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Cathelineau Cardinal


Inscrit le: 21 Fév 2015 Messages: 4302 Localisation: Château de Quintin
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Posté le: Sam Aoû 19, 2023 3:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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+1 _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 23, 2023 6:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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Aren't there next Deans Election soon?
Since the Dean as well as his Vice aren't present i recommanded that the Chancellery should start the electoral process the moment it is needed.
Or, the Pope himself. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3901
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2023 10:58 am Sujet du message: |
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"I feel the need to join these voices... it's legitimate for everyone not to always be available and I understand that the summer period is also a time to rest.
But as has been said many issues depend on their presence. Here in the Sacred College, with the important discussions that are taking place and also in the Congregations where the absence of the Dean and Vice Dean who are ad interim Chancellors blocks any work.
It will be tough if we have to go on like this until October when the mandate of the new Dean will begin."
OOC: Any reason that pushes them to be absent from the game is more than valid in the end this is just a game. _________________
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15405 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 12:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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"So, we now have the situation: Cardinal Adonnis has been missing for a month, and he was last seen in Rome a month ago (last seen 31st of July).
I pray for his health, but the Church cannot continue without its structural leaders. Cardinal Pamelita is in seclusion for an indefinite period.
Therefore, we have no effective leadership of the Curia. The term ends at the end of the month, so a new Dean must be elected, and the corresponding election procedures and nomination phases initiated.
This is naturally done by the Vice-Dean, who is currently unavailable. I also do not expect Adonnis to return spontaneously.
There are now two options that I have already discussed with His Holiness Sixtus.
We agree that the most efficient approach (since it makes sense in terms of time) is for Sixtus himself to initiate the election process.
The alternative would be for the Curia to appoint an election supervisor, which can only be generated through debate (5 days) followed by consensus or election. Ultimately, it might take up to 14 days before an election supervisor is even appointed to initiate the process.
This takes a very long time. Therefore, Sixtus and I agree that it makes sense for him to conduct the elections 'extra ordinem.'
I hereby officially request the Pope to take on this task and moderate the Dean elections." _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 3901
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 1:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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"As much as the absence of two important members of the Curia such as Card. Adonnis and card. Pamelita we can't afford to waste any more time and I think they would agree too.
The proposal of the card. Kalixstus makes sense to me... the situation is extraordinary and requires an extraordinary solution without wasting any further time." _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12331
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 1:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree. Let’s do so, this is not a common situation. _________________
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Pie de Valence Cardinal


Inscrit le: 04 Nov 2012 Messages: 7858 Localisation: Langres/Joinville
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 7:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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It’s curious that they both disappeared without warning. No one has heard from them ? Ok for a new election if no other information about their fate reaches us. _________________ "Le modernisme n'est ni une dérive, ni une horreur, ni une maladie honteuse. C'est le terreau de la rénovation de l'Eglise, la terreur des conservateurs, l'air pur qui vivifiera la foi" (Pie II de Valence)
"On n'est jamais dans le mensonge quand on prêche la paix et l'apaisement, toujours quand on prêche la haine d'autrui" (Pie II de Valence) |
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Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia Cardinal


Inscrit le: 28 Nov 2018 Messages: 1750 Localisation: In viaggio
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 8:57 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree with the proposal that the Holy Father moderate the new elections.
Who better than him can handle this matter with the correct detachment and delicacy?
Furthermore, as previously pointed out, it allows you to act with a certain speed. _________________ + Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V
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Roderic_ Cardinal

Inscrit le: 31 Mar 2020 Messages: 2147 Localisation: Rome et la Principauté de Catalogne
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2023 10:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree. _________________
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Jeu Aoû 31, 2023 1:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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-I also agree. We must ensure the governance of the Church with a new dean and vice-dean. _________________
_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor |
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Pere_Setzefonts Cardinal


Inscrit le: 15 Déc 2017 Messages: 504 Localisation: Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona
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Posté le: Dim Sep 03, 2023 2:00 pm Sujet du message: |
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-I also agree _________________
Monsenyor Pere Setzefonts i D'Entença
Cardenal diaca de Sant Posseidó de Montserrat, Arquebisbe de l'Arquidiòcesi Metropolitana de Tarragona, Mossèn de Vic, Membre de l'AEH, Baró Palatí de Sant Joan de Latran, Baró d'Entença, Vescomte del Comtat d'Osona, Senyor de la Coca de Sucre |
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pamelita Cardinal


Inscrit le: 15 Oct 2013 Messages: 3868 Localisation: Ducato di Milano
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Posté le: Dim Sep 03, 2023 11:09 pm Sujet du message: |
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Eminent brethren, I am not here to justify my absence, which is due to serious problems in other worlds, but I had in any case warned in the appropriate place of my absence (OFF...unfortunately for me, private life takes precedence over gaming)
I wanted to submit my resignation, but that would have meant that the new dean's election would have been open, but probably not all of you realised that.. Let's proceed with the nominations please . _________________
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