L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Kalixtus]

My brothers and sisters I have been thinking about the dean elections and they are clearly too long and too complicated like many things within the church, so the legal structure should be revised.

I thought of the following change to the relevant canon.

Black - stays in the law
red - is delated
green - is new and replace



Citation:

Article 7.1: The Dean of the Sacred College is elected among the Cardinal-Bishops, by all the Cardinals. The Dean takes office on April 1st and October 1st, remaining in office until the date of the inauguration of the new Dean. Article 7.1: The Dean of the College of Cardinals is elected by all the Cardinals from among the Cardinals. All Cardinals who are appointed Cardinals at the time of the election are eligible to vote and to be nominated. The Dean takes office on April 1st and October 1st, remaining in office until the date of the inauguration of the new Dean. Article 7.1.1: The election is held in the Chapel of Saint-Lescure, at least one month before the date before the entry into office for the new Dean. In case of delay during the election, the mandate of the outgoing Dean is extended until a successful election. Article 7.1.2: Any Cardinal-Bishop is eligible if appointed to his position for at least six full months at the time of the first round. Article 7.1.2.1: In the event that no candidate meets the conditions defined in the article 7.1.2, it is possible to extend the list of candidates to all Cardinal-Bishops, without condition of length of charge. In case this is still not enough, the list can be extended to the Cardinal-Priests, Cardinal-Deacons and finally to the entire Sacred College. Article 7.1.3: All eligible Cardinals according to article 7.1.2 (or 7.1.2.1) can submit their application. However, they have the option to withdraw voluntarily before each round. Article 7.1.4: All Cardinals, with the exception of the absent Emeritus, have the right to vote. Article 7.1.5: The election of the Dean can be carried out in a maximum of 4 rounds. To be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of the votes. n.b. : The rules of Can-I-5 4.2.1 apply Article 7.1.2: The election of the Dean shall be by simple majority of all Cardinals entitled to vote within one ballot. In the event of a tie, a second ballot shall be held with open votes. Should this also fail to produce a result, the Pope shall elect a Dean from the remaining candidates. Article 7.1.5.1: A quorum strictly greater than fifty percent (50%) of the Cardinals eligible to vote is required for a first-round election. Article 7.1.5.2: When another round is needed, only the candidates with the highest percentage are qualified, according to the following methods: No more than 4 candidates can qualify for the second round, if it takes place, and all must have received more than 15% of the votes; No more than 3 candidates may qualify for the third round, if it takes place, and all must have received more than 20% of the votes; No more than 2 candidates may qualify for the fourth and final round, if it takes place. Article 7.1.5.3: When no candidate meets the threshold percentage of required votes, the two candidates with the highest percentage are qualified for the last round. Article 7.1.5.4: Ties are resolved by discarding as many candidates as necessary to meet the requirements of the previous articles, starting with the most recently nominated candidates to the Curia.



As my colleagues can see, the whole procedure would be considerably shortened and the elections would be much smoother. The current system ensures that potential candidates from the lower cardinal levels do not have a chance to run if inactive higher cardinals are nominated.

This is therefore not a fair competition.

The current elections with the elimination of candidates and absolute majorities are only arithmetic games but do not create greater fairness. They only cost time and give room for unnecessary conspiracies.

I want a lean, fast, efficient and meaningful CIC that adapts to our realities and needs. Nearly a month of election procedures due to the internal structure of the process are unacceptable time wasters. Especially with a glaring need for quick decision-making.

These amendments produce just that. They stand in the glare of justice and enhancement of the cardinals as a unit and the equal treatment of ranks in tandem with the position of dean.

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[heldor]

Personally, I have always been in favor of bureaucratic streamlining, also because, if it is true that bureaucracy helps to keep the actions of others under control, it destroys spontaneity and fervor, factors which in my opinion are very relevant when it comes to questions of faith and connected!

Of course, by approving these changes, but not only that, we should learn to trust more in the fact that we will be dealing with honest people (and unfortunately this is not always the case), but there are so few of us left that we might even dare to risk it.
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+S.Ecc.Ill.ma frà Tebaldo Foscari detto Heldor il randello
Cardinale Vescovo Emerito di San Domenico in Burgos
Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
Patriarca Metropolita di Venezia
Arcivescovo Sine Cura di Gorizia
Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
Conte di Sezze
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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

We can also turn off Doyen's charge...
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque d'Embrun
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Francesco_maria]

... and close the Sacred College
... the Congregations
... the Consistories
... the Episcopal Assemblies
... the Dioceses
... the parishes
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[Cathelineau]

The current situation leads us to these logical changes that I support. Thank you Kalixtus
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[Tymothé de Nivellus]

[Francesco_maria]

"You started with the stupid things... I thought it was a game of who said the biggest stupid thing.

Regarding Cardinal Kalixstus' proposal, I find myself in favor.

However I would leave these articles:"

[Tymothé de Nivellus]

If Kalixtus pisses to the left you piss with it... so we already know that you are going in his direction...
I'm just pointing out that the proposal to extinguish Doyen's charge is not new, it has already been mentioned...
Even before you were Cardinal, dear friend...
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Père Tymothé de Nivellus | Cardinal-Evêque de Saint Trufaldini à la Porte Latine | Camerlingue de Rome et Chancelier de la Chambre Apostolique | Archevêque SC d'Avignon et Archevêque d'Embrun
"La puissance de Dieu donne toute sa mesure dans la faiblesse"
Cabinet du Cardinal

[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

I agree with the thought expressed by his Eminence Foscari.
Such simplification makes us more vulnerable in some respects, however, I am convinced that here we all want only the good of the Church.

Regarding the proposal of his Eminence Nivellus, the elimination of the figure of "Primus Inter Pares" in an assembly is, my opinion, not preferable.
A person who organizes and presides is required at each meeting.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Fenice]

This proposal, as it stands, is in my opinion too risky.
If I have a problem, eliminating as many rules as possible is not the best solution.

I propose a form of correction that, for example, would make a cardinal eligible and allow him to vote at least six months after his appointment, not immediately.
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[Felipe...]

I am against the revision and amendment of these articles, even though it can sometimes be a tedious process, because in order for a cardinal to be a suitable candidate for dean, he must meet several requirements, in addition to having a red biretta on his head.

The candidate must be required to have at least six months' experience in the sacred college to ensure that he knows at least how the procedures and timings of debates work. He is not a newcomer, he will not act clumsily, he will not need to be corrected by his colleagues if he makes irregular decisions.

Being a cardinal bishop means that the candidate is already a veteran cardinal, who for months or years has gone through a process of personal maturation, having previously been a cardinal deacon or priest. He knows how the church operates both at the level of the national consistories and at the level of the Roman congregations.

Having from the beginning candidates who are only cardinal deacons, presbyters or emeriti who have even been recently appointed is a very risky gamble, as it can degenerate into problems of many kinds. It should only be a viable option when more suitable candidates are not available.

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_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor

[Roderic_]

We must remember that cardinal deacons, according to canon law, their main function is to work in the linguistic areas. The functions of the Cardinal presbyters are divided between work in Rome and in the area covered by the consistories. This leaves mainly the work function in Rome to the Cardinal Bishops, and I don't want this to be misunderstood, given that the first time I ran for dean was when I was a cardinal deacon and I was appointed when I was already a cardinal presbyter. My point is, if the cardinals in charge of the congregations do not step forward, then yes, they could move to cardinal presbyters and then to deacons.

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[heldor]

[Francesco_maria]

"The role of the Dean is basically to coordinate the discussions that take place in the Sacred College. He has no decision-making power within the Sacred College and is precisely a "primus inter pares".

Someone who is chosen to be a cardinal has experience behind him, a good CV and has demonstrated that he is an active and faithful servant of the Church. However, since he is a cardinal deacon he is not suitable to present himself immediately, however he can vote for the Dean. A practice that does not exist anywhere in our Church or even outside. If one can vote for an office he must also have the opportunity to run for that office.

But let's go back to the inadequacy of cardinal deacons to act as Dean. it is true that formally they have competence at a national level, but they read and participate in all the discussions in the Sacred College so they have knowledge of everything that happens unless they are idiots.

In our Church there are many elective assemblies, even much more important than the Sacred College. Think of the French Episcopal Assembly or the Imperial one. How many dioceses do they manage?

A young man gets his diploma in theology, runs for a vacant diocese and becomes a bishop. After a week he runs for Primate and becomes Primate of France or of the SRING. So for that there is no problem, the latest arrival can potentially coordinate dozens of bishops, take care of relations with the various provinces and the sovereigns. He works well, becomes cardinal deacon, and is told that he cannot be Dean because he has just arrived and he has no knowledge and experience of what is happening.

It seems to me that your arguments are rather shaky... Card Roderic himself managed to do well as Dean in his first term, much better than the cardinal bishops who succeeded him."
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[Cathelineau]

You have to be lucid and pragmatic:

- This text was functional when we had around fifteen cardinal bishops in office, this has not been the case for years.

- What Roderic says is false about cardinal bishops, I was created cardinal deacon on April 27, 1466 and I became cardinal bishop on May 23, 1466 and I am far from being an exception.

From the moment the Dean has no decision-making power, everyone must be able to apply, we would save time and it would not change anything
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