L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

Darn6766 · Inscrit le: 03 Juin 2007 Messages: 7

Are the wolves still heretics
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Apocas · Posté le: Lun Juin 04, 2007 1:24 am Sujet du message:

Yes
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Zabouvski · Posté le: Lun Juin 04, 2007 2:36 am Sujet du message:

Just by curiousity, who are the wolves? Question

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Apocas · Posté le: Lun Juin 04, 2007 2:41 am Sujet du message:

A group of criminals that promote the worship of a mysterious figure called 'Loki'.
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loyats · Inscrit le: 24 Avr 2006 Messages: 336

I thought a heretic was someone who used the Church's words for their own meaning? Although I do see a definition of the word that would describe them.
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Apocas · Posté le: Lun Juin 04, 2007 10:00 am Sujet du message:

Ooc: About the IRL definition of heretic you're not wrong. The aristotelian church in the canon law defines it diferently. You're not the first to notice and it's one of the things that is being kept in mind for the english revision of the canon law.
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Riktin · Inscrit le: 01 Oct 2006 Messages: 981

Until a good, solid definition is reached (and probably even after that), I tend to say that the terms of Heretic and Heathen/Pagan can be used pretty interchangeably, but one must be mindful of whether or not they ever have been a professing, baptized Aristotelian (which, to me, is the main difference, anyway).
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Apocas · Posté le: Mar Juin 05, 2007 1:15 am Sujet du message:

Lorudce · Posté le: Mar Juin 05, 2007 4:22 am Sujet du message:

If this refers to the recent proclamation, it was aimed at Aristoeans associating with them If a baptized churcjh member is in the wolves they have become apostate and my face discipline.

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Darn6766 · Inscrit le: 03 Juin 2007 Messages: 7

we'd better post that where some wolves can see it.
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Apocas · Posté le: Mar Juin 05, 2007 10:30 pm Sujet du message:

Aishling O'Niall · Posté le: Mar Mar 08, 2011 9:09 pm Sujet du message:

A question further on this if I may. The story I am told is that because of actions taken by the NNGO long ago in which they sided with WoS has them also anathema. Am I saying that right? If anyone of them wished to repent what would they have to do?
There is a discussion in Ireland about the church and while it may worry some at least there is a discussion. I will quote a small bit of it here for you. One person said they'd had a relative that wanted them to be baptized into the URAC. The were told no, as this person was on the list of those who were forbidden baptism as they were at one time NNGO. They were also told at a later date that they could be baptized but could never talk to another NNGO member again, could not sell things to them, interact with them, hire them, have them in my taverns etcetera. If it was proven that they talked to or interacted with them, well their soul would be lost and they would be kicked out of the church. So they wondered, how many who have been baptized have had that same spiel given to them. Do they get threatened with eternal damnation for talking to someone? For having a friend who is not allowed in the church? For not yourself having ever done anything wrong, but because someone you know or associate has? They thought it a rather stupid way to run an organization that is supposed to be about love, respect and showing people the right path.

My question here is what do I as an Archdeacon reply to this? You see we in Ireland live with the NNGO. They were part of our first council when we were establishing it so not associating with them is entirely impossible in Ireland. This is not to say that we condone all of their actions, it simply asks the question what do I reply to such things.

Lordwilb · Inscrit le: 21 Jan 2009 Messages: 1206

I agree with Sister Aishling. If they are not themselves advocating heresy, or condoning the actions of the heretic groups (WOD/NNGO), I feel they should be welcomed. As Sr. Aishling said, in Ireland, people have to live with the NNGO. Yes, they may be on council; yes, they may have positions of authority. We cannot blame someone wishing to be baptized for that. We are here to show people the light, not to keep them away from Jah's love and mercy merely because of a tenuous association with a heretic.

If they are no longer a member of Nox Noctis Gentis Obscurum, I see no obstacle to their baptism upon repentance.

[OOC] We should also bear in mind we cannot choose who we sell to or hire.
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