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Catriona Delacroix
Inscrit le: 09 Fév 2008 Messages: 1073 Localisation: Barnstaple (and my name is Catriona Mackenzie :p)
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Posté le: Dim Sep 03, 2017 11:28 pm Sujet du message: Question - Indulgences |
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I would like to ask what are Indulgences. While I understand that in exchange for money ... sins are reduced, I am interested in learning a little more - because at the moment I really wouldn't know what to say if I were asked. Except that they seem to be a way to make the diocese and Pope rich. _________________
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Arnarion Cardinal
Inscrit le: 11 Fév 2015 Messages: 5974 Localisation: Marche d'Ancône
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Posté le: Lun Sep 04, 2017 12:35 am Sujet du message: |
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Hello ! Good to see you are interested about indulgences. I am actually writting a doctrinal text.
On my reflexion, I can say you this : By its nature and effect, indulgence can only come from God. It is therefore perfect and absolute in its essence. It can not be anything but a piece of divine grace that enables us to sanctify ourselves and free ourselves from the tyranny of sin. One can thus see indulgence as the handing over of temporal punishments conditional on an act of piety and devotion to the love of God that some good works of fervor and charity form that will have no other effect than that, being sanctifying. By virtue of the uninterrupted apostolic line from Saint Titus, to which the episcopal power has its source and legitimacy, it is then up to the diocesan authority to confer indulgences through the ecclesiastical provinces and parishes.
In more material words ... you give money to the Church and she prays for your soul.
(Sorry for my english, I don't have time to traduce the French well.) _________________
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BOISBRIAND
Inscrit le: 08 Avr 2017 Messages: 452
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Posté le: Lun Sep 04, 2017 1:13 am Sujet du message: |
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J'en ai une autre de définition, Prise d'otage avec demande de rançon _________________
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Catriona Delacroix
Inscrit le: 09 Fév 2008 Messages: 1073 Localisation: Barnstaple (and my name is Catriona Mackenzie :p)
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Posté le: Lun Sep 04, 2017 4:38 am Sujet du message: |
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So ... the indulgence of reducing the sin comes from god as divine grace, through the mediation of prayers by the diocese, and the payment is an act of pious charity so making the person deserving of the prayers?
So the bishop and the diocese council should be actively praying for all who pay for indulgences?
And also the diocese and Pope should be spending the money gained on charitable works?
I'm just trying to see if I can make sense of it as it feels intrinsically wrong to be praying for people because they are giving the church money.
Perhaps divine grace is not the right phrase to use as this feels more like a transaction than god bestowing a gift on the undeserving. The priests are praying for divine intervention perhaps, rather than divine grace, and are asking for this intervention because of the charitable act - so it's more a case of ... hello god, can you intervene by reducing the burden of sin felt by peasant x because he did a charitable act by giving the church money.
ooc: No worries - I'm just happy to see such a swift reply. Thank you! _________________
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Catriona Delacroix
Inscrit le: 09 Fév 2008 Messages: 1073 Localisation: Barnstaple (and my name is Catriona Mackenzie :p)
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Posté le: Mer Sep 27, 2017 1:05 am Sujet du message: |
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Well, perhaps I was prematurely too happy here as I seem to have scared you away from the conversation.
I'll do some more thinking on it - as indulgences seem to be here for good. _________________
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