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Prospero
Inscrit le: 17 Déc 2007 Messages: 153 Localisation: Port Lairge - An Mumhain - Ireland
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Posté le: Ven Sep 11, 2009 4:48 pm Sujet du message: |
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Here are the true and official prerequisites for theological studies:
Languages
No prerequisites. Please note that they can only be studied with a professor. Ancient greek is very important, because it enables you to read many books (see below)
Morale
Aristotle's Moral Principles: no prerequisites
The Roman Church: no prerequisites
All seven virtues (The Good, Virtue, Pleasure and Delight, Temperance, Justice, Friendship, A Seventh thing) require:
* To proceed beyond 50% :
o "The Roman Church: organisation and history" : 100%
* To proceed beyond 70% or 75% (exact percentage is unclear according to sources):
o "Aristotle's Moral Principles" : 100%
Five virtues require the reading of specific books:
The Good:
* To proceed beyond 20% :
o The Nicomachean Ethics: Book I - The Study of the Good
o Greek : >= 51% (to be able to read the book)
Virtue:
* To proceed beyond 20% :
o Read twice The Nicomachean Ethics: II - The Virtue
o Read once The Nicomachean Ethics: IV - The Other Virtues
o Greek : >= 51% (to be able to read the books)
Temperance:
* To proceed beyond 20% :
o The Nicomachean Ethics: Book III - Courage and Temperance
o Greek : >= 51% (to be able to read the book)
Justice:
* To proceed beyond 20% :
o The Nicomachean Ethics: Book V - Justice
o Greek : >= 51% (to be able to read the book)
Friendship:
* To proceed beyond 20% :
o The Nicomachean Ethics: Book VIII - Friendship
o Greek : >= 51% (to be able to read the book)
Ontotheology
Logic: no prerequisites
The sense of being: no prerequisites
The beginning of the world: no prerequisites
Ontology: science of the being:
o "Aristotle's Moral Principles": 100%
o "Logic": 100%
o "The sense of being": 100%
o Read Metaphysics GAMMA (Γ) - Aristotle
o Ancient greek : > 85% (to be able to read the book)
Please note that "Beginning of the world" is NOT needed to reach 100% in Ontology.
I have proven this myself about a year ago and published it in Rome.
Theology: science of the first matters:
o "Aristotle's Moral Principles": 100%
o "Logic": 100%
o "Beginning of the world": 100%
o Read Metaphysics A - Aristotle
o Ancient greek: > 65% (to be able to read the book)
Please note that "The sense of being" is NOT needed to reach 100% in Theology. _________________ Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin
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geomam81
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2008 Messages: 75
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Posté le: Ven Sep 11, 2009 5:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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Brother Prospero yes i know that, my question about that studing both metaphysics that are opposite and while i have 201+ intelligence, those ideas will be instant at maximum 100%, but after 34 days i will loose them and 34 belief points. My question is if i can recover them by reading for example metaphysics A and if this elimination (after studying the two metaphysics will affect the preaching or preaching is based on the books brother Apocas wrote me. _________________
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Prospero
Inscrit le: 17 Déc 2007 Messages: 153 Localisation: Port Lairge - An Mumhain - Ireland
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Posté le: Ven Sep 11, 2009 8:45 pm Sujet du message: |
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geomam81 a écrit: | my question about that studing both metaphysics that are opposite and while i have 201+ intelligence, those ideas will be instant at maximum 100% |
You're not going to read both metaphysics alpha and gamma at the same time, because no library has them both.
What is going to happen is this :
First, you'll read one of them, thus getting the prerequisite for either ontology or theology. Your belief in the corresponding idea will raise, of course, maybe up to 100% (if it was the same idea as yours to begin with).
Then, once you've reached a library where the other book of metaphysics can be found, you'll read it, thus getting the other prerequisite. The idea in the book being opposite, you'll have both ideas in your transcendental menu, but one will be weaker than the other (I don't remember which one, sorry).
Then the weaker idea will slowly disappear from your menu (but it should take far less than 34 days, for me it did take about 3-6 days if my memory's right). Reading the latter book again should make things go faster.
You're also right that your faith will decrease as long as the two ideas fight each other. Faith will just stop decreasing once one of the ideas has disappeared. You'll then hear masses that will help you get back maximum faith level
Please feel free to ask if anything remains unclear.
I hope this helps. _________________ Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin
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geomam81
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Posté le: Ven Sep 11, 2009 9:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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So, only the one idea with the lowest percent will keep decreasing until zero? Or both ? The ideas are falling or not? Or i have to come back to read them so i can preach ? I intent to read the books apocas said to increase my ideas. DO you know if reading them just one is enough? Will they keep falling too? _________________
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Prospero
Inscrit le: 17 Déc 2007 Messages: 153 Localisation: Port Lairge - An Mumhain - Ireland
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Posté le: Sam Sep 12, 2009 8:38 am Sujet du message: |
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geomam81 a écrit: | So, only the one idea with the lowest percent will keep decreasing until zero? Or both ? |
The weaker of the two will disappear first, as is logical. I don't remember if both ideas decrease or not. Anyway, as soon as one of the contradictory ideas has disappeared you can read the other book again so the remaining idea reaches the max again.
geomam81 a écrit: | The ideas are falling or not? Or i have to come back to read them so i can preach ? I intent to read the books apocas said to increase my ideas. DO you know if reading them just one is enough? Will they keep falling too? |
Once you have reached the max in one idea your belief in it will not decrease, except in two cases :
- if you hear a contrary preach, especially if the preacher has a strong persuasion
- if you read a contrary book _________________ Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin
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geomam81
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2008 Messages: 75
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Posté le: Sam Sep 12, 2009 9:54 am Sujet du message: |
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Many thnx brother. _________________
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geomam81
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2008 Messages: 75
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Posté le: Mer Sep 30, 2009 3:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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Is there any list with books and what ideas they give and what is contrasting ideas?
also 100% idea is writen by how? You're sure that .... ? _________________
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Apocas Cardinal
Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2006 Messages: 4290 Localisation: Salisbury, Clifton
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Posté le: Ven Oct 02, 2009 9:49 am Sujet du message: |
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geomam81 a écrit: | also 100% idea is writen by how? You're sure that .... ? |
Yes, that is how it appears.
geomam81 a écrit: | Is there any list with books and what ideas they give and what is contrasting ideas? |
Bellow is a list I have from a couple years ago. It may not be completely up to date (also it is partially in french, with some english translation which may not match the IG text exactly anymore); but it should provide some information for you.
Citation: | # Ideas & Books
1. l'Etre Divin est tout-puissant
The Holy Being is Almighty
• Timée - Platon - Grec
• la Physique d'Aristote
• De providentia - Sénèque - Latin
• De natura deorum - Cicéron - Latin
2. Ideas related to the Divinity:
* Les choses sont des copies des Idées
Things are copies of the Ideas
• Le Banquet, de Platon
* La beauté sensible est une image de la Beauté éternelle que l'âme a toujours déjà contemplée
Sensible beauty is an image of Eternal Beauty that any Soul has already contemplated once
• Le Banquet, de Platon
• Poétique - Aristote - Grec
* Le bonheur est une forme de contemplation, que le sage doit s'efforcer d'atteindre
Happiness is a kind of meditation
• Ethique X - le vrai bonheur - Aristote
• Poétique - Aristote - Grec
* La métaphysique est la science des causes premières
Metaphysics is the study of first principles
• Métaphysique A - Aristote - Grec
3. Ideas related to the teachings of Aristotle:
* L'essence des choses est dans les choses-mêmes, et leur donne forme
The essence of the things is in thesame ones, and gives them form Question
• Question
* La beauté résulte de certaines proportions et de certaines mesures et rythmes harmonieux
Beauty results from certain proportions, harmonious measures and rythms.
• Le Banquet, de Platon
* L'homme sage doit participer à la vie de la cité
The wise man must take part in the life of the City
• La République - Platon - Grec
* La métaphysique est la science de ce qui est, en tant qu'il est : de l'étant en tant qu'étant
Metaphysics is the science of what is, as it is: being as being
• Question
# Opposing ideas
* # la métaphysique est la science de ce qui est, en tant qu'il est : de l'étant en tant qu'étant
• metaphysics is the science of what is, as it is: being as being
# la métaphysique est la science des causes premières
• metaphysics is the study of first principles
* # la beauté sensible est une image de la Beauté éternelle que l'âme a toujours déjà contemplée
• sensible beauty is an image of Eternal Beauty that any Soul has already contemplated once
# la beauté résulte de certaines proportions et de certaines mesures et rythmes harmonieux
• beauty results from certain proportions, harmonious measures and rythms
* # les choses sont des copies des Idées
• things are copies of the Ideas
# l'essence des choses est dans les choses-mêmes, et leur donne forme
• the essence of the things is in thesame ones, and gives them form Question
* # l'homme sage doit participer à la vie de la cité
• the wise man must take part in the life of the City
# le bonheur est une forme de contemplation, que le sage doit s'efforcer d'atteindre
• happiness is a kind of meditation
* # l'Etre Divin est tout-puissant
• the Holy Being is Almighty |
_________________ Former Bishop of Clifton
Former Roman Cardinal-Elector and Prélate Plénipotentiary
Former Cardinal Chamberlain of England, Scotland, and Ireland
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geomam81
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 5:14 am Sujet du message: |
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I tried to read "The Republic - Plato - Greek" but it said that i couldnt understand the book. As far as i know, you must have ancient greek 65% at least so you can understand it. I have it 100%. Why that? _________________
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Cyrianna
Inscrit le: 09 Aoû 2007 Messages: 441 Localisation: Bertincourt, Artois, France
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 5:50 am Sujet du message: |
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I know that some of the books also need a few class as prerequisite, but do not remember which ones. _________________
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geomam81
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 6:01 am Sujet du message: |
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What exactly you mean class? Lessons? _________________
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Prospero
Inscrit le: 17 Déc 2007 Messages: 153 Localisation: Port Lairge - An Mumhain - Ireland
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 8:27 am Sujet du message: |
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geomam81 a écrit: | I tried to read "The Republic - Plato - Greek" but it said that i couldnt understand the book. As far as i know, you must have ancient greek 65% at least so you can understand it. I have it 100%. Why that? |
I'm really surprised at what you say, especially if you have 100% in greek.
Could you please paste your transcendental menu ? _________________ Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
Former Bishop of Waterford
Former Archbishop of Dublin
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geomam81
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 2:27 pm Sujet du message: |
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Sure. Here it is and all my knowledge:
Your ideas:
You're sure that the Divine Being is almighty.
You're sure that metaphysics is the study of first principles.
You say to yourself that maybe the wise man must take part in the life of the City.
You say to yourself that maybe sensible beauty is an image of Eternal Beauty that any Soul has already contemplated once.
Master's in Latin: 43%
Master's in ancient Greek: 100%
Master's in modern languages: 25%
The Roman Church: organisation and history : 100 %
Aristotle's Moral Principles : 100 %
The Good : 52 %
Virtue : 50 %
Pleasure and Delight : 0 %
Temperance : 50 %
Justice : 20 %
Friendship : 50 %
A seventh thing. Maybe the seventh sky. Or better: the seventh son of the seventh son : 9 %
Logic : 100 %
The sense of being : 100 %
The beginning of the world : 100 %
Theology: science of the first matters : 60 %
Ontology: science of the being. : 70 % _________________
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Prospero
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 2:41 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hmmm, what is your intelligence (what was it when you tried to read the book ?) _________________ Prospero
Theologist - professor
Former Bishop of Killaloe
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Former Archbishop of Dublin
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geomam81
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Posté le: Sam Oct 03, 2009 2:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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Prospero a écrit: | Hmmm, what is your intelligence (what was it when you tried to read the book ?) |
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