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Francesco_maria
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Sep 26, 2024 1:45 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"The idea of ​​a deadline is indicative because with the election of the new Dean we can also be updated on the situation of all the bodies of the Holy Church not to control but to compare.

We know well how difficult this can be for you, Cardinal Fenice, accustomed to being locked up alone in your palace of the Apostolic Nunciature, And how much more difficult it can be to think of having to say how the activities of the diplomacy of the Holy Church are proceeding given that they are not proceeding at all and we are in fact forced to self-manage in our territories because no nuncios have been appointed for years and there is no progress of any kind in relations with the Kingdoms."

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Sep 26, 2024 9:58 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I will give you a precise answer tomorrow, because the answer must necessarily be articulate and is not easy to translate into the lingua franca. For now I will emphasise the style of your accusation, this is precisely what I am referring to when I complain about how people speak in the Curia. Congratulations.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Sep 27, 2024 9:51 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

As promised, my detailed reply.

Regarding the initiation of new relations with foreign kingdoms, within the framework of collaboration with your Congregation, I have given you my full availability each time. What must be borne in mind, however, is that the first meeting must take place in the presence of both of us, because it must have the meaning of a handover: those who have established a relationship with you can only transfer their trust to me if they see that we work together. If these people disappear before we establish or implement a meeting, I do not have to look for them, because they do not know me yet, but they know you, and you know their situation.

With regard to the appointment of new nuncios, the answer is simple: I am training people, but one in particular proved particularly problematic because, due to his ignorance of Canon Law and the workings of the Church and some tenaciously erroneous beliefs, he was convinced that he owed no obedience except to his bishop, and that he was free to write and sign treaties with the government of his area. So it took a long time to work with him, and you will agree with me that placing our diplomatic trust in him would be foolhardy and dangerous.
Another student is brilliant and would probably do a good job, but after confronting His Holiness I must admit that I shared His doubts about the honesty of this person's motives, so I reluctantly had to drop the idea of appointing her.

Currently, candidates arrive at the Nunciature convinced they can shape the Church's military and economic policy. If you know someone who is not motivated by such ambitions, I would be happy to train and appoint him.

Last but not least: thanks to a great work of His Holiness, the new updated and complete model of concordat is ready. This means that the stalled negotiations can resume and will proceed, on our part, quickly.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Sep 30, 2024 8:33 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"Cardinal Fenice, the Congregation that I lead does not have relations with all the Kingdoms of this world of ours but only some. In this specific case, I discussed with you the situation of Bohemia (a kingdom with a city) that was brought to my attention because of a sort of civil war in progress reported to me by the local bishop.

Since I have been leading the New Apostolate, I have not yet had the fortune of having Kingdoms that have asked for a dialogue with the Holy Church to sign an agreement, but if it came to that, I would be happy to participate at a table with you and with them, I have never "invaded your field".

As for the Nuncios, I do not understand this attitude, if a person is available, he must be evaluated on the field, his intentions should not be put on trial. However, I was not talking about recent cases, it has been years since we read about the appointment of Nuncios and it seems impossible to me that in all the Kingdoms no one is worthy of such a role. They are representatives of Roman diplomacy but do not have the authority to establish agreements without the approval of the Apostolic Nunciature.

I can understand your point of view that when you enter into certain political issues the question is difficult but I believe that to solve the problems a certain will is also necessary to want to change things. The excellent is the enemy of the good... if we wait for the perfect nuncio we will remain forever with our deserted embassies."

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MessagePosté le: Lun Sep 30, 2024 10:09 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

We are not talking about excellence, brother, but reliability and honesty. Appointing a nuncio who believes he can do politics in the name of the Church, following his own convictions and personal interests, and who ignores the workings of the Church and Canon Law, would be truly terrible of me.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 03, 2024 2:27 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Do we have an agreement about that reports of the congregations - cause if we say we should make some in October - I like to remind you - we have October.

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 03, 2024 3:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

In my opinion, we do not have a formal agreement. Do all Chancellors agree to participate in reporting on their work within their congregation?

Should I write a standard report that the Chancellors complete themselves?

I am willing to make a report for the Apostolic Chamber, but if it is not to be read or used, I have something else to do! ...I am already sharing with the Pope about the activities of the Congregation. But I remain open to writing a report if you consider it necessary, useful and if it is read!

We can request the reports for 10/31 and say that from now on we will request them for each legislature of Dean...But, should this be put to a vote to have everyone's formal opinion?

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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 03, 2024 4:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    I can say that I see no complications whatsoever for the CDF to write a report and publish it. As I myself have a clear idea of what I want to achieve in a year and this will be registered for me in a final report one way or another, I don't have any extra work.

    However, every cardinal works differently.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 04, 2024 4:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Still no decision made here as well!

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