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Marcus86 · Svatba postav Arhangel_ a Iines - planned for 2014-12-31 12:00:00

RP and IG wedding of foreigners in Brno

It is possible wedding foreigners in another as own country? I am the sacristan in Brno (only deacon) and I have in the office announced of wedding. Today I received a reply from them. I asked them whether they are members of URAC. They are.

Catriona Delacroix · Posté le: Mer Déc 31, 2014 3:02 pm Sujet du message:

Yes, you can marry them. URAC is roleplayed as a universal Church so it doesn't matter if they were baptised in a different country.

Marcus86 · Posté le: Mer Déc 31, 2014 5:53 pm Sujet du message:

Of course. But in the Canon Law is this:

Ysabet · Posté le: Mer Déc 31, 2014 6:15 pm Sujet du message:

wow. wow. No you cannot marry them. Not withouth asking the bishop of their home town! Please take this seriously! We had once a german couple which married in Celje...because they did want to go around the the rules of their own bishop. That is not alright. It was a real mess. Several rules were broken, the groom was a heretic and it was not even sure if the bride was baptised, because she was heretic before, too and there was no proof of her baptism. And the cleric could not made be responsible because he went to the monastery.

So. Please: Before marrying: Make sure that they are really baptised and not only tell you so and lie. And make sure their groomsmen are baptised. And most important; Make sure the bishop of their hometown knows what is going on and agrees with it.

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http://www.diekoenigreiche.com/FichePersonnage.php?login=Arhangel_
http://www.diekoenigreiche.com/FichePersonnage.php?login=Iines

They are both living in "Wien" in "Erzherzogtum von Österreich". It is a german province. The bishop is "Abendlicht". So you have to go and talk to him.
I think she is german at least...he probably not.
And I can tell you she has not been baptised in any german parish. (I looked it up in the german register)

Of course they can move to your city. Then you would not have to ask another bishop. But they really need to change their ingame residence to your city.
And you still need to make sure they are really baptised.

Edit2: And please, if you marry them, please write in into the new register: http://rome.lesroyaumes.com/viewforum.php?f=597
So we have proof it has been celebrated. Especially if the are from another country and on a later date someone searches for this proof.
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Catriona Delacroix · Posté le: Mer Déc 31, 2014 11:46 pm Sujet du message:

And bearing in mind that this is an ooc forum ... excuse me for saying this but, you've just managed to demonstrate why religion is so unpopular in this game because of all the unnecessary rules and the petty enforcement on rules which only seem to be in place for the sake of micromanagement.

They've spent a token for an IG marriage, they said they were baptised. If it's a matter of roleplay, if they lied in character about the baptism, it just means the marriage is void and Jah will sort it out once they get to the solar paradise (or not).

I was kinda hoping the convocation would deal with the petty rules but that seems to have stopped in its tracks.

On an ooc level as one player to another, I'd say go for it and have fun roleplaying a wedding.

Marcus86 · Posté le: Jeu Jan 01, 2015 10:43 am Sujet du message:

IG wedding I can not cancel. RP wedding still not been. I am waiting for your answer. That's why I wrote this post. In the RolePlay I want them to get married according to the rules. As I said, they want to live in Brno. They came to Brno only recently. Both are originally from other cities as Wien and I have not found any bishop from Serbia. If I do not find evidence of their baptism, so I can baptize them (conditionally - if they were not baptized) and then I got married in the RP. Is this possible?

And where can I find the register of baptized from the other countries? For example, from the Kingdom of Serbia, or Graz? Players may move freely around the world and it is not always possible to ascertain whether baptized. They do not have to be married then?

I've long since shall request the establishment of the Czech register in the URAC forum and still nothing. All our believers are registered only in our annals. This is a problem. Therefore, I am working on creating our own diocese also. We're only young local community and do not know everything as old players. We still have not translated a substantial part of canon law and regulations into Czech, so I have to find everything in a foreign language. Please understand for me.

Marcus86 · Posté le: Jeu Jan 01, 2015 5:51 pm Sujet du message:

Ysabet · Posté le: Jeu Jan 01, 2015 6:33 pm Sujet du message:

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I apologize for not being present while you were trying to solve the problem.
I hope that Brother Marcus had followed the suggestions by Her Eminence Ysabet, because the long-time absence of the Serbian clerics make me think that the spouses weren't baptized, like You both said.
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Marcus86 · Posté le: Sam Jan 03, 2015 3:34 pm Sujet du message:

Yes, I followed the advice of His Eminence Ysabet. I already wrote to Bishop Abendlicht for permission to baptism and marriage, but still no response. Today I wrote to him again. I'll wait and if nothing, so I will ask the Primate of SRING for permission. These players they are not very active in RP, but their request to have a church wedding, I would not refuse.

And as she said Catriona Delacroix: