L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Kalixtus]

[Kalixtus]

This place here discusses partly the biggest bullshit for hundreds of hours and a renaming and "honoring" is not even mentioned here with a sentence?

What is that lately for a behavior?

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[Adonnis]

Why would I need to discuss at Sacred College the baptism of my private and private office?

Tell me one thing: where is the discussion where you discussed the name of the classrooms of the Papal University. I think I missed it.

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real

[Adonnis]

Why would I need to discuss at Sacred College the baptism of my private and private office?

Tell me one thing: where is the discussion where you discussed the name of the classrooms of the Papal University? I think I missed it.

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

Because the dean is not a job for life, nor is it your private life space. It is the work space of the Dean of the Sacred College.

If it were your private space it would hardly need an announcement. But you have announced it as if it were the will of the Pope, the Curia, almost God himself. Let us proclaim Saint Gropius.

If I named my toilet after Gropius, I wouldn't write a big announcement and an edict.

If you name your bedroom after Gropius and dedicate a statue to him in your palazzo and have a mosaic laid out in your bathroom with the portrait of your beloved Gropius, I couldn't care less. Because that is your private pleasure.

But if you have an official office that you are only given for a limited time, until your term of service is over, and then you rename it, not even after a saint or a church father, but after an ordinary cleric who left no theological writings that would be relevant anywhere, but after your private friend, then that is a problem for me, yes.

Sorry, this is something I understand as an encroachment from your office and an over due glorification of a man who not only spread beauty, flowers and wet dreams but also the opposite.

I consider this distortion of history to be grossly negligent and problematic. I'm sorry to have to say this so clearly.

Imagine I now name rooms not after saints but after Rome's most successful dominas, would that be appropriate. No. Nevertheless, both figures would be exactly equally successful and yet only dust in the wind.

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[Adonnis]

In fact, I corrected the header text where it says that it is the Pope's order.

Otherwise... my private office.

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

Absolutely inappropriate behavior. I am severely disappointed by so much arrogance and self-aggrandizement, which you and your friends like to accuse me of and now practice yourself.

Disgusting. There are no private rooms of the Dean. The Dean serves the Church and the Sacred College.

He is not a ruler, nor is he somehow authorized to make arbitrary decisions:



Citation:

Article 7: Le Doyen du Sacré-Collège préside le Sacré-Collège en l'absence du Pape et peut parler au nom du Collège des Cardinaux. Il rend des comptes uniquement au Saint-Père et au Sacré-Collège. Il ne possède aucun pouvoir de gouvernement sur les autres Cardinaux, mais il est considéré comme le primus inter pares.



That means you cannot, according to Canon Law, make any edicts, decrees or anything else that has not been approved by the Pope or the Holy Curia.

Since you just admitted that the Pope did not authorize this, you have to ask the Cardinals for permission and then ask for a change in a debate including a vote.

You merely maintain a - primus inter pares - which means you have no superior legal authority of your own at all over exactly nothing in your job as Dean.

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[Adonnis]

My private office, Kalixtus.

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real

[Kalixtus]

There is no private office. There is only an office. And for that you have no right to name it differently.

Your private office is in your home not in your job. The office of your job is not your property!

Check this.

And you have no right to edict anything in the name of the Dean it is against Canon Law!

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[Fenice]

It does not happen often, but this time I agree with Kalixtus: the office of a temporary office does not belong to the person who holds that office at any given time, and therefore the decision to name the office is not up to the individual person.

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Cela n'arrive pas souvent, mais cette fois-ci, je suis d'accord avec Kalixtus : le bureau d'une fonction temporaire n'appartient pas à la personne qui occupe cette fonction à un moment donné, et donc la décision de nommer le bureau n'appartient pas à la personne individuelle.

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Non succede spesso, ma questa volta sono d'accordo con Kalixtus: l'ufficio di una carica temporanea non appartiene alla persona che in dato momento ricopre quella carica, e quindi la decisione di dare un nome all'ufficio non spetta alla singola persona.

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[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

I agree with Cardinal Kalixtus, I think that in making such important decisions it is also essential to hear the opinion of the Sacred College.
This further validates the decision made.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Arcivescovo Metropolitano de L'Aquila
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Roderic_]

I agree with Kalixtus and my brother cardinals, none of the offices belong to us, as we only occupy them for a short period of time. Therefore, we cannot name them whimsically. Much less, the office of peer among peers should have been brought up for debate and a vote.
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[Francesco_maria]

"I too join the eminent brothers and sister who spoke before me. Unfortunate choice and poor decision. It must be withdrawn."
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[pamelita]

I have a question... if the dean's office had not been named after Gropius, would the reaction have been different?
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[Fenice]

For me, the name doesn't matter, and I add a question: why that office should be named? It has never had a name.
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