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[RP] Application to the Index prefecture

 
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MessagePosté le: Sam Juil 20, 2024 10:34 am    Sujet du message: [RP] Application to the Index prefecture Répondre en citant

    Cardinal Mastiggia arrived from his palace after a letter dated 12 July had been brought to him.

      - Dear brothers, on july 12th, I received an application to the Index prefecture and transmitted it to our brother Arnarion, Archichancellor of the Holy See, the same day. I didn't received any answer. Can we answer in a way or another to our brother ?


    He placed the application on a table for all to see.


Grimaldi a écrit:
Bonjour votre éminence,

je vous écris pour vous faire part de ma candidature pour la préfecture de l'index.

Je vous envoie mon curriculum vitae et la lettre de motivation.

Grimaldi


Grimaldi a écrit:
Curriculum vitae

Date d’obtention de la pastorale et du baptême :

30 Septembre 1469 : Pastorale avec Monseigneur Marilyse
9 Octobre 1469 : Baptême avec Monseigneur Marilyse

Date d’Obtention des diplômes
1 Avril 1470 : Pastorale Maxima a Rome
12 Décembre 1470 : Diplôme en Théologie a Rome


Mars 1471 évêque de Nevers

Curé de Sémur 1472

Evêque de Autun 1472




Grimaldi a écrit:
Lettre de motivation

établir un bilan complet sur l' Index hominum prohibitorum (ayant pour fonction d'enregistrer les noms des hommes et des femmes qui se sont retournés contre Dieu et ayant abandonné Sa Sainte Eglise au profit de l'hérésie)
l' Index librorum prohibitorum ( ayant pour fonction d'enregistrer les noms de tous les écrits, compilations, livres et travaux de l'esprit qui endommagent ouvertement la Vérité en favorisant l'erreur).

Remettre à jour l'index hominum prohibitorum et l' index librorum en retirant les noms des personnes qui ne sont plus excommuniés mis sous interdit
demander aux cardinaux de me faire remonter tout mise sous interdit et excommunication prononcer

Grimaldi

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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 21, 2024 9:21 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

It’s much-needed work, it seems like a good thing to me to have a candidate! someone willing, I don't know him much. We have often pointed out that in the absence of updates we make regrettable errors. although I would have preferred it to have gone through the Chancellor directly. if we have a collegial decision to make. I am for.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Juil 22, 2024 1:45 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I don't know the candidate, but it's always good to have a stakeholder.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Juil 30, 2024 8:38 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    He had hoped that the request would have elicited more reactions. But the summer heat must have forced the cardinals to rest. He spoke again.

      - Do you think we can debate whether or not Monsignor Grimaldi can become Prefect of the Index ?

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MessagePosté le: Mar Juil 30, 2024 8:52 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"It is always good to have new people who make themselves available to serve the Holy Church and, in this case, the Roman Curia, however the problem is that the head of the Chancellery exists and, at present time, is fully in charge even if completely inactive.

The Sacred College cannot appoint to offices of a Congregation in which there is a Chancellor. Only the Pontiff can.

I understand that in this specific case it seems absurd but it is so..."

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MessagePosté le: Mer Juil 31, 2024 12:14 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    Urbain shrugged one shoulder, showing his dismay.

      - I understand, but at what point are we going to stop sacrificing good will on the altar of each other's inactivity? Doesn't the Sacred College have the possibility of dismissing a cardinal in order to appoint him emeritus because of his absence ?


    His words were not aggressive, just perhaps in a tone that was meant to challenge. How many cardinals were still really active? Did the Sacred College have any interest other than simply appointing a dean on a regular basis? Urbain really wondered. In his view, the Sacred College could help the Pope, but it could also act as a counterweight when necessary. But it had to take the initiative, not stand in the way.

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MessagePosté le: Mer Juil 31, 2024 9:40 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"I understand your point of view but no. The Sacred College cannot do what you ask because it is not in its power.

Then from my personal point of view on the matter I also tell you that the Index office is not even one of those places that so urgently require coverage. It would be appropriate to make a report for each Congregation and understand where there is necessarily a need for new forces."

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MessagePosté le: Mer Juil 31, 2024 10:34 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

    He nodded.

      - Yes, the Sacred College assists the Holy Father.


    He shrugged one shoulder again, rather resigned.

      - In my opinion, the functioning of the registers and the monitoring of the Index is one of the most important for the credibility of our clerics. If, because an excommunication is incorrectly recorded, a country or city cleric proceeds with a marriage or other ceremony with that person, then he is at fault. At fault for not knowing because he consulted an imperfect Index. The impression that emerges from both the outside and the inside is that the Church has become a huge empty shell. The Dicasteries are for the most part empty or dormant. Those who want to get involved can't find anyone to talk to, and when they do, they're told ‘I'll see what I can do, but I can't promise anything’. Several days or weeks later, with no response, we are forced to say ‘I'm sorry, I couldn't do anything’. We lack efficiency.


    He paused.

      - If an audit has to be carried out for each Congregation, then so be it. However, we'll have to make sure that behind it we find a solution for recruiting (and therefore having people able to validate recruitments), for taking the measure and envisaging changes to the way things work etc... Are we capable of making these suggestions, capable of questioning ourselves ?

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MessagePosté le: Mer Juil 31, 2024 5:07 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

"There is already a Committee that is working to verify the activity of the cardinals, unfortunately things are going slowly because it is a delicate job that cannot be done superficially. If you then take into account that a member has disappeared and that the summer slows everyone down... you understand that this is the result.

I am not against your ideas, Eminent brother, I share them but we must know how to balance everything well and bring the problem into reality.

In any case, we can also appoint a Prefect for the Index. Who then introduces him to the work to be done? Who follows him at the beginning if the Chancellor in charge is absent? Unfortunately, it is not all simple and immediate."

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