L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Adonnis]

Yes, and I believe the excerpt "out by high prelates" already makes this clear, but in a subtle way without conveying further intrinsic details in the text.

But if on the one hand I strongly condemned Kalixtus' behavior at the diplomatic meeting, on the other hand I need to point out that I don't see his name and his express approval anywhere. On the contrary, as far as I am aware, he did not even participate in the Diet vote.

We must be careful not to let our feelings cloud the objectivity of our judgment. We are approving a official position of the Church that will be expressed by the Sacred College of Cardinals. This position will have canonical value, so we must prevent its content from giving any impression other than the one we really want to convey.

In any case, if you maintain your point that the addition of this complement is essential, we can decide this at the end of the debate by vote.

As for the Kalixtus issue, Arduino has already suggested starting a debate to analyze the limit of the participation of cardinals (and bishops?) when they are exercising secular offices.

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real

[Fenice]

Brother Adonnis, there is one fundamental thing that must be clear: my personal feelings have no weight in my reasoning.
I do not know revenge and I do not ask for punishment or condemnation on the basis of personal offences. I only have at heart the preservation of the Church and justice in the treatment of those who err, based on the gravity of the error.

Attacking a cardinal during a diplomatic meeting with the Empire - which is known to have positions contrary to the Church - means undermining the authority of the Church and siding with those who are hostile to her. This is a very serious matter, and has no connection with me personally.
As for the vote in the Diet, Kalixtus has never denied that he voted in favour, yet it would have been easy to say so.

I am not interested in insisting on one sentence, I am interested in the Church being protected from its external and internal enemies, and being able to speak with a unanimous voice, rediscovering what we have long since lost, unfortunately: the will to cooperate.
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[Gropius]

I added the quote on marriage proposed by Fenice. Are there any other additions or proposals?
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Richelieu1]

Do you intend to announce the indexing in the same announcement ?
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[Gropius]

I was thinking of two separate announcements.
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Richelieu1]

So ok for me.
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[Kalixtus]

The things you take as an attack. It must be awful, Fenice. Basically, the truth is a serious problem for you. You have to live with it, not me.

I think this publication is one-dimensional in its wording. It doesn't match the complexity of the dogma in several ways but most people here don't care anyway.

As for your interjection Adonnis. Don't worry, the majority of people will know exactly who the Curia wants to publicly burn. They will approve accordingly.

I don't mind if this house here wants to sacrifice me on the altar. I'll remember the faces.

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[Kalixtus]

[Gropius]

Well, we also recorded the opinion of Brother Kalixtus. How do we proceed now? Is there consensus?
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[Kalixtus]

No there isn't consensus, Arduino Della Scala, even if you try to negate my existence.



Citation:

Consensus can only be invoked when all participants entitled to vote on the issue under discussion agree on a single decision and, in any case, not before three days of debate.



I am sure i don't need to explain you this simple part of the internal rule, even if i know you like to do what you want and punish those who do different than what you prefer.

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[Gropius]

No, dear, you have nothing to explain or teach me. The question about consent must be asked explicitly to allow the cardinals to express themselves, and so I did. I will put the announcement to a vote as per our rules.
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Cardinal-Bishop † Dean of the Sacred College of Cardinals † Grand Audiencier of the Holy See † Vice Chancellor of the Pontifical Chancellery † Archbishop of Strasbourg † Governor of the Patrimony of Titus † Prince of Viterbo † Marquis of Santa Marinella ♝Il cielo e la terra♗

[pamelita]

Ok for me
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[Kalixtus]

And now? What we have achieved is that the Empire is angry about this emotional text, as was to be expected.

We can assume, however, that the behaviour of the Imperials will not change, but rather that a kind of defiance will prevail, which will make the situation blatantly worse.

The German Kingdom alone has now refused to implement this law in our legal landscape via Diet, which I lead there.

So German laws will continue to say that we only recognise Aristotelian marriages.

For this, I am currently being accused by trivial subjects of high treason against the empire.
But that fits in with Richelieu's demand that I be excommunicated.

Then I will soon be an unemployed excommunicated tramp. That creates entirely new perspectives.

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[Sixtus]

Months have passed without any reaction, neither positive or negative, from the Empress. It's clearly time to define her position after her actions.
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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik

[Adonnis]

Brothers? Opinions?

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.........Cardinal-Bishop of Saint Valentine of the Victories / Archichancellor of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
.............Governor of Latium / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real and Ostia / Duke of Monte Real