L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Felipe...]

France, that kingdom ruled by the enemies of the Faith.

This is the new ordinance which has been published by the Queen of France and on which a debate is taking place in the French Episcopal Assembly.

We all already knew about the issue of the so-called "civil marriages", which clearly contravene the dogma and doctrine of our Church. However, I fear that this issue has been used as a Trojan horse to banish from France any trace of Aristotelianism and the absolute secularisation of the kingdom.

I have marked in red the most scandalous articles.

I ask the Sacred College for a debate on this matter, hoping that the cardinals of the French-speaking consistory will pronounce themselves, so that we can make a public statement together with the AEF and the inclusion in the index of this "Ordinance of Paris"'.

[Kalixtus]

Somehow, Section I, Article 1, clashes with Articles 2 and 5. If there is freedom of worship, why can Articles 2 and 5 restrict it? That makes no sense at all.

Section II 1. could be in conflict with administration rights prohibiting IG mechanics. So if the church collects taxes, it is because it can IG and that should not be prohibited in principle.

Section III Article 2 is the real difficulty,

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[En0ra]

Des discussions sont en cours entre la Reyne de France et moi-même. Je n'arriverais pas à la faire changer d'avis, je le crains. De plus en plus de provinces m'écrivent pour savoir quoi faire. A part d'une manière locale expliquer aux Evêques et Administrateurs de rester dans la foi, de ne signer et de ne participer à aucune demandes sur ce sujet, l'AEF ne peut rien faire. La décision doit forcément venir du Saint Père ou du Consistoire.

Je recommande la prudence toutefois car la Reyne est habile: l'Ordonnance a été faites pour libérer les provinces. En gros, Rome peut agir comme il le souhaite tant qu'il laisse le choix aux provinces vassales, en cas d'agression, la Reyne défendra son vassal.

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Discussions are underway between the Queen of France and myself. I can't get her to change her mind, I'm afraid. More and more provinces are writing to me asking what to do. Except in a local way to explain to the Bishops and Administrators to remain in the faith, not to sign and not to participate in any requests on this subject, the AEF cannot do anything. The decision must necessarily come from the Holy Father or the Consistory.

I recommend caution, however, because the Queen is clever: the Ordinance was made to free the provinces. Basically, Rome can act as it wishes as long as it leaves the choice to the vassal provinces, in case of aggression, the Queen will defend her vassal.
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Feue Son Eminence Enora d'Azana, Cardinal-Diacre, Primat de France, Administratrice Diocésaine de Narbonne et Evêque Sine Cura de Séez.

[Roderic_]

From what I read between the lines, is this a trap for Rome?
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Cardinal Bishop // Cardinal Vicar Grand Inquisitor // Prelate of Honour of His Holiness //
Archbishop sine cura of Sassari and Urbino // Bishop sine cura of Urgell // Chancellor of the Order of Saint Nicolas V .

[Fenice]

Seems that some local rulers are going to reject the so-called civil unions, because they recognize that marriage is to the church only.
Reports are coming about official documents.
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[heldor]

[Kalixtus]

German document - the German Kingdom is the only Kingdom within the Empire that not implemented such rules within his laws.

Don't know what you are talking about.

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[heldor]

Yes yes, sorry, Imperial document... Sounds best to you? You can call it as you want, but the result is the same..

One, the Imperial one, is a clear provocation against the Church, the other, the French one, is a possibility of choice!
I understand that you have been burned by this matter, brother Kalixtus, but the fact remains that there is a diplomatic gulf between the two documents...
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+S.Ecc.Ill.ma frà Tebaldo Foscari detto Heldor il randello
Cardinale Vescovo Emerito di San Domenico in Burgos
Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
Patriarca Metropolita di Venezia
Arcivescovo Sine Cura di Gorizia
Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
Conte di Sezze
ecc.

[Kalixtus]

I am quite refractory, dear Heldor, as you note I am still here and not, as many hoped, burned to ashes.

I do not see any qualitative difference in the documents, because the Crown of France can simply change religion if something does not suit them, this is not possible in the Empire. There, Aristotelianism is engraved as the state religion in the Magna Carta.

A blatant and important aspect. Also, the Empire has always made it clear that Aristotelianism is ALWAYS to be preferred, BUT for those who are just NOT, the Civil Union offers itself.

Something that has always come up short in recent debates.

Here the French state prescribes very clearly how the rules have to be for the whole religion, so also for us. We have to have our documents approved.

All this is not the case in the Empire.

And just a small hint - to call things correctly by their names is very important, brother Heldor. Imagine the face of your rulers in Venice if I called them not Doge but guy with a funny cap on his head. Wouldn't that be kind of irritating and condescending.

That's how I feel when Germans are wrongly put in a corner where, as the last bastion, they don't belong. This form of carelessness could almost be classified as condescension. Fortunately, I am not interested in pursuing this idea today.

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[Urbain_mastiggia]

[Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia]

The latest news fills my heart with joy! I was certain that the Aristotelians of France, God-fearing and good believers, would make His Royal Majesty realize the mistake.

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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Arcivescovo Metropolitano di Udine
Professore alla Pontifica Universitas Studiorum Aristoteliorum
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V

[Adonnis]

This is really a blessing. So we know that we still have firm Aristotelian anchors in France.

Brothers, we need to continue the debate. Do we include the announcement of the Queen of France in the Index?

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.....Cardinal-Presbyter of Saint Anthony of the Portuguese / Grand Audiencier of the Holy See / General Inquisitor of Portugal
...............Primate of Portugal / Metropolitan Archbishop of Braga / Bishop of Vila Real / Duke of Monte Real

[Felipe...]

- That was my proposal from the beginning. The Queen of France has acted contrary to Aristotelian principles, attempting to pervert the sacredness of marriage and to lead French subjects, especially believers and the faithful, down the path of perdition, violating the dogmas and doctrines of Holy Mother Church. There is no exculpation on her part that can be alluded to, nor any indication that she wants to recant. Moreover, she has publicly mistreated our prelates and the Primate, His Eminence Enora. There is no other possibility but to condemn and bring these decrees to the Index.
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_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor

[Urbain_mastiggia]

I agree with Brother Felipe.
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[pamelita]

I also agree with what Cardinal Felipe said
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