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Francesco_maria
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"The following letters were found some time ago by a collaborator of the Supreme Pontiff. They have been studied and examined (for a long time) by the Cenacle of Theologians.
Having been approved by the theologians I present it to you Eminent brothers and sisters for your final review and approval before official publication."
| Magister Palatii a écrit: | Letter of Linus to Paulos followed by Letter of Paulos to Linus
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Paulos friend and master,
I write to you with a broken heart to deliver terrible news. Our guide, the rock of God, the one whom the savior Christos had chosen to guide us, has died. As you know, the pagan emperor held him captive for a long time and mistreated him. Even in his last moments, he was guided by faith and acted as the leader he was, sacrificing himself in exchange for the release of many of our brothers and sisters who had been captured along with him. The evil emperor had him taken to the circus, where he had nine giant crosses planted, telling him that for every cross he pulled out, one of the prisoners would be released. He hoped that after the harsh imprisonment, Titus would not be able to save his own life and that of the others, but bolstered by faith, our father succeeded in rooting out all the crosses except the one intended for him. Once again, Titus was the titan that Christos had seen.
The friend Samoth brought him back to the crypt where we gathe, exhausted but still close to life, and there, after three days, one last prodigy occurred: the Roman nobles, the princes of the empire, came to pay homage to Titus, moved by the extraordinary strength of his faith, all converted to the message of the messiah Joshua. For days they continued to arrive, for days they queued up, until today, when no one showed up and Titus, summoned by the Most High, left us.
During his imprisonment he sent me a letter, asking me to continue the mission of Christos, your mission, that of the apostles, to find you, to organize the spreading of the faith and the education of the new pastors, so that the divine message may never again be diverted but be kept by those whom he called bishops among the bishops. Titus has left me a list of the faithful I can count on. What am I, a mere bishop, to do? I am writing to you first, Paulos, because you are very wise and you are the only apostle, apart from Samoth, who is already planning to leave with his disciples to spread the faith in distant lands, whose location I know, since you have remained in Caesarea. You, the apostles, have been our guides, our teachers, and that is why I ask you to guide me once again in the task that Titus entrusted to me.
Linus of Rome
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Linus, first among us, our guide,
I call you like that because that's what you are now. You are no longer a mere bishop, you are the successor of Titus, the successor of Christos, the head of our community, of the church that we, the apostles, founded with Christos. Just as Christos chose Titus among us, the apostles, to guide us after his death, so did Titus choose you among all of us to guide us now that the rock of God is no longer on earth. Do not ask us, the apostles, to guide you, because today it is us, apostles, bishops, priests and simple faithful, who ask you to guide us. As we have all been loyal to Christos, we have also been loyal to Titus and now we will be loyal to you, as will all the bishops we have ordained and who will succeed us.
We, the apostles, were the closest disciples of Christos and the closest friends of Titus, but we are humans and we too will die one day. That is why you too must find your apostles, those who will help you and be close to you, as we were to Christos and Titus. Look at those names that Titus left you and if you trust them, make them bishops and if they prove to be skillful and loyal in the faith, place them by your side to help you lead the church, impose on them the same rules that Christos asked us to follow as apostles because they will have to be ready to make any sacrifice for the faith and the church, even death. Thus, they will be the bishops among the bishops Titus wrote to you about, the guides of the church who, with you, the pastor of the pastors, will keep the faith alive and firm. And one day, when you too will reach Titus on the Sun, the new head of the church we have founded will be chosen from among these bishops among bishops, and he in turn will choose the bishops from among the bishops who will help him and among whom his successor will be chosen. In this way, the mission of Christos will survive and the faith will never be corrupted.
Paulos of Caesarea
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Felipe...
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| Posté le: Sam Sep 09, 2023 7:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Felipe read the document brought by his cardinal-brother Francesco, and after concluding, the Hispanic prelate said:
- If this document has been examined for a long time by the cenacle of theologians and has their approval, then I have nothing to object and I give you my personal nihil obstat.
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Kalixtus
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pamelita
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| Posté le: Sam Sep 09, 2023 9:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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Also approved by me.
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Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia
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| Posté le: Sam Sep 09, 2023 9:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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I am moved to read this exchange of letters.
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+ Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Arcivescovo Metropolitano de L'Aquila
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V
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Roderic_
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| Posté le: Lun Sep 11, 2023 6:33 am Sujet du message: |
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If it has been studied at length, I have no objection. It has my support in order to be approved.
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heldor
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| Posté le: Mar Sep 12, 2023 8:57 am Sujet du message: |
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If the Cenacle of Theologians has studied this letters for so long time, this letters have to be a perfect exaple of aristotelic faith!
Approved by me, if I can
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Primate delle Venezie e Stato da Mar
Legato Apostolico per le Venezie e Stato da Mar
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Padre Generale dell'Ordine di San Domenico,
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Kalixtus
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| Posté le: Mer Sep 27, 2023 6:00 am Sujet du message: |
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I guess there is no opposite wording - my we can call it a consensus, Dean Roderic?
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Roderic_
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 28, 2023 3:17 am Sujet du message: |
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I am not yet dean, I take office on Sunday. I will then be able to make the corresponding publications. As you said your brother Kalixtus, as well as brother Francesco, we must respect the rules, as well as the relevant appointments.
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Kalixtus
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 28, 2023 3:34 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes of course we have to respect the rules. I am a bit faster than I should.
We all will be able to wait till our beloved inactive Dean will be off.
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Kalixtus
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 01, 2023 6:10 am Sujet du message: |
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I put the text into the final layout, for possible decisions of the Dean.
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Letter of Linus to Paulos followed by Letter of Paulos to Linus
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Paulos friend and master,
I write to you with a broken heart to deliver terrible news. Our guide, the rock of God, the one whom the savior Christos had chosen to guide us, has died. As you know, the pagan emperor held him captive for a long time and mistreated him. Even in his last moments, he was guided by faith and acted as the leader he was, sacrificing himself in exchange for the release of many of our brothers and sisters who had been captured along with him. The evil emperor had him taken to the circus, where he had nine giant crosses planted, telling him that for every cross he pulled out, one of the prisoners would be released. He hoped that after the harsh imprisonment, Titus would not be able to save his own life and that of the others, but bolstered by faith, our father succeeded in rooting out all the crosses except the one intended for him. Once again, Titus was the titan that Christos had seen.
The friend Samoth brought him back to the crypt where we gathe, exhausted but still close to life, and there, after three days, one last prodigy occurred: the Roman nobles, the princes of the empire, came to pay homage to Titus, moved by the extraordinary strength of his faith, all converted to the message of the messiah Joshua. For days they continued to arrive, for days they queued up, until today, when no one showed up and Titus, summoned by the Most High, left us.
During his imprisonment he sent me a letter, asking me to continue the mission of Christos, your mission, that of the apostles, to find you, to organize the spreading of the faith and the education of the new pastors, so that the divine message may never again be diverted but be kept by those whom he called bishops among the bishops. Titus has left me a list of the faithful I can count on. What am I, a mere bishop, to do? I am writing to you first, Paulos, because you are very wise and you are the only apostle, apart from Samoth, who is already planning to leave with his disciples to spread the faith in distant lands, whose location I know, since you have remained in Caesarea. You, the apostles, have been our guides, our teachers, and that is why I ask you to guide me once again in the task that Titus entrusted to me.
Linus of Rome
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Linus, first among us, our guide,
I call you like that because that's what you are now. You are no longer a mere bishop, you are the successor of Titus, the successor of Christos, the head of our community, of the church that we, the apostles, founded with Christos. Just as Christos chose Titus among us, the apostles, to guide us after his death, so did Titus choose you among all of us to guide us now that the rock of God is no longer on earth. Do not ask us, the apostles, to guide you, because today it is us, apostles, bishops, priests and simple faithful, who ask you to guide us. As we have all been loyal to Christos, we have also been loyal to Titus and now we will be loyal to you, as will all the bishops we have ordained and who will succeed us.
We, the apostles, were the closest disciples of Christos and the closest friends of Titus, but we are humans and we too will die one day. That is why you too must find your apostles, those who will help you and be close to you, as we were to Christos and Titus. Look at those names that Titus left you and if you trust them, make them bishops and if they prove to be skillful and loyal in the faith, place them by your side to help you lead the church, impose on them the same rules that Christos asked us to follow as apostles because they will have to be ready to make any sacrifice for the faith and the church, even death. Thus, they will be the bishops among the bishops Titus wrote to you about, the guides of the church who, with you, the pastor of the pastors, will keep the faith alive and firm. And one day, when you too will reach Titus on the Sun, the new head of the church we have founded will be chosen from among these bishops among bishops, and he in turn will choose the bishops from among the bishops who will help him and among whom his successor will be chosen. In this way, the mission of Christos will survive and the faith will never be corrupted.
Paulos of Caesarea
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Roderic_
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 01, 2023 6:12 am Sujet du message: |
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My dear Cardinals, do we have consensus on this issue? rather, does anyone object?
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Kalixtus
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 01, 2023 6:26 am Sujet du message: |
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yes from me
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Pie de Valence
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 01, 2023 9:47 am Sujet du message: |
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Oui.
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Francesco_maria
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 01, 2023 12:06 pm Sujet du message: |
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"Obviously I too am in favor of approving the document."
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