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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Ven Oct 13, 2023 2:25 am Sujet du message: Problems with 2 Parts of the Doctrines |
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Dear Colleagues,
in the course of finalising the layout reform of Dogma which was completed today, there is a problem.
The texts:
appear in the dogma, although according to Wilgeforte they are marked as plagiarism and do not belong in the dogma according to their wording.
Now I cannot simply remove something from the dogma. But I have issued an order not to translate these texts.
Because as plagiarisms (copies from the IRL Vatican Library) they have no place in the dogma.
In the CSO, there were no references to an actually necessary vote and, as far as I know, not even via the Curia.
But it must be said that these texts entered the dogma more than 10 years ago and times have changed. Today's culture within the Church leadership is far more institutionalised than at that time.
I therefore ask the Curia for the fastest possible discussion and vote on the removal of the texts from the dogma - in the same way as texts diffuse into the dogma through the vote of the Curia. _________________
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Francesco_maria Cardinal


Inscrit le: 14 Jan 2013 Messages: 4021
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Posté le: Ven Oct 13, 2023 10:22 am Sujet du message: |
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"Having myself dedicated time to researching these documents and the transcripts relating to the discussion in the archives, since this is an evident case of plagiarism, I believe there is little to discuss but simply to confirm the removal of these texts from the Dogma as soon as possible." _________________
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Fenice Cardinal


Inscrit le: 19 Déc 2010 Messages: 12353
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Posté le: Ven Oct 13, 2023 5:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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I totally agree. Let's do it as soon as possible. _________________
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Pie de Valence Cardinal


Inscrit le: 04 Nov 2012 Messages: 7905 Localisation: Langres/Joinville
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Posté le: Ven Oct 13, 2023 9:37 pm Sujet du message: |
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[hrp]The texts are already marked as cancelled since 2010, it’s written. Why rule on a cancellation that has already been pronounced ? [/hrp] _________________ "Le modernisme n'est ni une dérive, ni une horreur, ni une maladie honteuse. C'est le terreau de la rénovation de l'Eglise, la terreur des conservateurs, l'air pur qui vivifiera la foi" (Pie II de Valence)
"On n'est jamais dans le mensonge quand on prêche la paix et l'apaisement, toujours quand on prêche la haine d'autrui" (Pie II de Valence) |
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Sixtus Pape


Inscrit le: 03 Juil 2014 Messages: 4170 Localisation: Sur les rives du Tibre
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Posté le: Lun Oct 16, 2023 12:24 pm Sujet du message: |
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Given the importance of this topic, it would be very important that all cardinals express themselves. The Dean should obviously contact them according to internal rules.
We further advise to hold a vote rather than proceed by consensus, given the sensibility of the matter. _________________
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Ettore_Asburgo_D'Argovia Cardinal


Inscrit le: 28 Nov 2018 Messages: 1854 Localisation: L'Aquila
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Posté le: Lun Oct 16, 2023 7:43 pm Sujet du message: |
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As I understand it, these texts have been considered not part of the Dogma for at least ten years.
By virtue of the principle of non-plagiarism, I believe they should be deleted or heavily edited.
I also agree with the Holy Father that, given the importance of the Dogma in all our thoughts and actions, a vote would give greater weight to the decision taken. _________________ + Ettore Asburgo D'Argovia
Cardinale-Presbitero di San Barnaba a Ripa
Arcivescovo Metropolitano de L'Aquila
Decano del Tribunale della Rota Romana
Ufficiale dell'Ordine pontificio di Nicola V
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Felipe... Cardinal


Inscrit le: 10 Mar 2020 Messages: 1598 Localisation: Villa Borghese
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 19, 2023 6:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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-Although these texts were already excluded from dogma ten years ago, I am in favour of their definitive removal from the Roman library. _________________
_______.______Sanctae Mariae Rotundae cardinalis episcopus | Archiepiscopus Burdigalensis
__________..Secretarius brevium ad Principes | Sanctae Sedis Vice-cancillarius et Magnus Auditor |
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Kalixtus Cardinal


Inscrit le: 24 Fév 2013 Messages: 15592 Localisation: Roma, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 19, 2023 6:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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Like Cardinal Felipe said - it is important to follow the correct rules of our Church and as what we see, it was not followed in the past or the rules didn't exist.
It is a proof, that small changes in the structure can cast complications on some levels. In this case a lot of questions for the library.
I think we will do justice to have the election and than this will be removed from all indexes of the library and we will close the case.
Kalixtus smiled to Cardinal Felipe, his new hairdress looks very charming and oh there is also a little nod of Kalis head to give the words of Felipe justice and support. Is that a sign of the end of the conflict of that two persons. _________________
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