L'Eglise Aristotelicienne Romaine The Roman and Aristotelic Church

[Cathelineau]

Frères et Soeurs,

Aujourd'hui je viens devant vous pour demander un vote afin d'excommunier Feuilllle.

Pour vous résumer la situation, Feuilllle génère des gros problèmes partout ou elle passe.

Je laisse mes Frères Français expliquer la situation totalement désastreuse sur Limoges.

En Bretagne, elle a délibérément gardée le trésor de sa paroisse, refusant de le transférer au diocèse, tout en publiant le montant de celui-ci et expliquant que "cet argent serait plus utile aux fidèles qu'à Rome".

Elle a demandé une réunion au clergé Breton, avec les membres du consistoires, c'était du n'importe quoi, je peux vous fournir les minutes, mais les frères cardinaux pourront vous le confirmer.

Parce que la situation était intenable, j'ai interdit à Feuilllle d'officier en Bretagne tout en prenant le soin de déposer plainte à la Pénitencerie depuis plus d'un an, malheureusement la Pénitencerie n'est plus apte à remplir sa mission car jamais mon dossier n'a reçu la moindre réponse.

Aujourd'hui Feuilllle souhaite aller en Empire, ou finalement elle n'a jamais été. Il y a un réel danger et malgré tout, elle crée la pagaille Place Aristote.

Il est plus que temps de mettre un terme définitif avec un élément incontrôlable et qui ne respecte pas ses vœux d'obéissance.




Brothers and sisters,

Today I come before you to ask for a vote to excommunicate Feuilllle.

To sum up the situation for you, Feuilllle has generated major problems everywhere it goes.

I let my French Brothers explain the totally disastrous situation in Limoges.

In Brittany, she deliberately kept her parish treasury, refusing to transfer it to the diocese, while publishing the amount of it and explaining that "this money would be more useful to the faithful than to Rome".

She asked for a meeting with the Breton clergy, with the members of the consistories, it was nonsense , I can provide you with the minutes, but the cardinal brothers could confirm it for you.

Because the situation was untenable, I forbade Feuilllle to officiate in Brittany while taking care to lodge a complaint with the Penitentiary for more than a year, unfortunately the Penitentiary is no longer able to fulfill its mission because never my file received no response.

Today Feuilllle wishes to go to the Empire, where ultimately she has never been. There is a real danger and despite everything, it creates a mess in Place Aristote.

It is high time to put a definitive end to an uncontrollable element that does not respect its vows of obedience.
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[Kalixtus]

Are there any proofs of l.s. so than we don't need to vote for Ex we can simply announce it.
Otherwise a trial is also a possibility to prevent to be the evil monsters that people think we are.

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[Fenice]

She has always been a troublemaker with her behaviour.
Gather circumstantial evidence so that the Curia can assess what to do.

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Elle a toujours été une personne qui crée des problèmes par son comportement.
Rassemblez des preuves circonstancielles pour que la Curie puisse évaluer ce qu'il faut faire.
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[Kalixtus]

troublemaking and being excommunicated are two different things

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[Cathelineau]

Je ne vous demande pas de voter la directement, comme toujours ici nous devons débattre et je vais présenter les preuves sous peu que je suis en train de rassembler.

Néanmoins et en attendant, il me semble important d'en discuter car je sais que beaucoup ont eu des problèmes avec, cela permettra donc de compléter le dossier.

Comprenons nous bien, nous sommes devant un élément qui est dangereux. Pas parce que je ne l'aime pas, il y a des gens que je n'aime pas, notamment ici, ça n'est pas une découverte, néanmoins je sais qu'on souhaite tous servir l'Eglise en respectant les règles. Il se trouve que Feuillle n'est de ce bois.

Elle est strictement imprévisible, incohérente et incontrôlable. Ses actions dans le Limousin sont un total désastre pour l'Eglise. En venant en Bretagne j'ai du l'encadrer strictement pour empêcher sa nomination comme Evêque, elle a clairement invité à détourner des fonds. Puis lorsque je l'ai suspendu et interdit d'officier elle a continué.

Elle a tenté de retourner les fidèles contre moi, j'ai tenu bon, pas longtemps parce qu'ils sont tous venus me voir en disant : "t'as raison elle est folle".

Mon problème est que ce cas aurait pu et du être traité par la Congrégation de la Sainte-Vérité via la Pénitencerie Apostolique, or je dois reconnaitre que le travail à la congrégation n'est pas réalisée.

Donc Feuillle souhaite désormais être evêque dans l'Empire, elle excite le Franc Comte pour sa nomination. Il semble que les relations Eglise/Empire sont mauvaises, si vous ajoutez Feuillle la dedans vous allez obtenir de la dynamite.

Etant donné les propos "anti-Rome" qu'elle tient, mais qui sont surtout anti-Eglise et même anti-Dogme, je souhaite l'excommunication. Je vous rapporte les preuves sous peu, si les cardinaux francophones peuvent témoigner du cas en attendant ça serait super.

En attendant, je souhaite à personne d'avoir un tel phénomène dans son diocèse, c'est un calvaire.




I am not asking you to vote for it directly, as always here we have to debate and I will present the evidence shortly that I am gathering.

Nevertheless and in the meantime, it seems important to me to discuss it because I know that many have had problems with it, so this will allow us to complete the file.

Don't get us wrong, we are faced with an element that is dangerous. Not because I don't like it, there are people I don't like, especially here, it's not a discovery, nevertheless I know that we all want to serve the Church by respecting the rules. It turns out that Feuillle is not of this wood.

It is strictly unpredictable, inconsistent and uncontrollable. His actions in the Limousin are a total disaster for the Church. By coming to Brittany I had to supervise her strictly to prevent her appointment as Bishop, she clearly invited to embezzle funds. Then when I suspended her and banned her from officiating she continued.

She tried to turn the faithful against me, I held on, not long because they all came to me saying: "you're right, she's crazy".

My problem is that this case could and should have been handled by the Congregation of Holy Truth via the Apostolic Penitentiary, but I must admit that the work at the congregation is not being done.

So Feuillle now wishes to be a bishop in the Empire, she excites the Franc Comte for his nomination. It seems that Church/Empire relations are bad, if you add Leaf in there you will get dynamite.

Given the "anti-Rome" remarks that she makes, but which are above all anti-Church and even anti-Dogma, I want excommunication. I will bring you the evidence shortly, if the French-speaking cardinals can testify to the case in the meantime that would be great.

In the meantime, I wish no one to have such a phenomenon in their diocese, it's a nightmare.
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[Kalixtus]

I had these problems with the char Lea Butterfly and we excommunicated her after she founded a heresy. Her new alter-ego is Schwester Juana - she now thinks she's a Spinozist and I put a church ban on her.

So I know the problems

As luck would have it I was in Limoges a few days ago and am traveling through the diocese. I see the problems you speak of and don't get me wrong, I am not against your proposal.

I just want us to be completely covered. I also have a few people in the German Zone who are critical and populist but I don't let them excommunicate because it causes more problems than it offers solutions.

Therefore, I am cautious, but not unwilling.

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[Cathelineau]

[Kalixtus]

Okay - for me the reasons are sufficient enough to justify excommunication.

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[Fenice]

As I had already said, she has always been a problematic, insubordinate person, I see that she has not changed, on the contrary, her behaviour has worsened.
For a long time she was on the borderline, now she seems to have crossed it. In my opinion too, there are sufficient elements for excommunication.

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Comme je l'avais déjà dit, elle a toujours été une personne problématique, insubordonnée, je vois qu'elle n'a pas changé, au contraire, son comportement s'est aggravé.
Pendant longtemps, elle était à la limite, maintenant il semble qu'elle l'ait franchie.
A mon avis aussi, il y a des éléments suffisants pour l'excommunication.
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[Arnarion]

I shall agree to.
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[Roderic_]

Cancer is best nipped in the bud, before it spreads. On the basis of what has been presented, I concur in the excommunication.
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[Sixtus]

This request seems best to be discussed in the Francophone Consistory, which maintains the prime responsibility for the Francophone area.
We just want to remind you all that excommunication is the most exceptional and serious sanction the Church can impose and that it should be carefully and thoroughly considered.

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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik

[Cathelineau]

Holy Father, she did anything in France, in Brittany and in the Empire, never respecting the rules, attacking the Church and her clergy while manipulating the populations against us. I don't see the point of what the pontifical consistory is doing. They want to talk to her but for what purpose? We've been talking to her for years, did she ever seem to even listen, I'm not saying understand, just listen. The answer is no. I really do not see what more the pontifical francophone consistory will do in this matter. You have to be lucid, even if she is defrocked she will continue her services as she was able to do in Brittany when I had banned it. I'm really factual about the character, because whatever happens the excommunication will be pronounced, we all know it, whether she crosses the barrier again or now.
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[Kalixtus]

I have also spoken privately with Alexis and weighed the dangers this person poses to the faithful whose protection is our task.

I see much truth in the words of Brother Cathelineau. I am afraid that talking only makes sense when the other person is listening.

The analysis is that the lady has a sensitive tongue and a clever head but despite all attempts is probably not accessible to the Roman authority. To ignore the Church to which she belongs, even to negate it, excludes her for logical l.s. reasons.

I can only advise the consistory not to engage in eternal conversations that these people use as a stage for their propaganda.

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[Sixtus]

The consistory has primary competence for this situation, not only for hearing or defrocking but also for excommunication. If that conclusion is as unavoidable as we believe, it will come either way.
That being said, it is our duty to try to save souls not to abandon them to damnation because sloth grips us. If the desire of the Francophone consistory is to first talk to her we can only commend it, we can consider it an extrema ratio to bring her to reason.
Obviously, we expect to see no endless discussions or stages for her propaganda, a final decision must be made and the hearing should proceed swiftly albeit thoroughly. Granted that she will even show up for a hearing.
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Eskerrik asko Iñési sinaduragatik