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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 04, 2009 1:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

An Archbishop a figure in charge of multiple dioceses. Having a single person appointed to serve in multiple bishoprics is actually called pluralism, and is against Royal edict. For the time being the Irish priests can serve as a bishop and as a parish priest simultaneously because of the shortage of manpower, but I expect that will change as the number of qualified folks grows.

NORMALLY, the Archbishop would be in charge of appoint bishops, who would then appoint priests, who then actually shepherd over their flocks. The Archbishop position doesn't seem to be fully implemented yet, though, so we still have to petition admins to have bishops installed.

Speaking of: I (as Bishop of Corcaigh) have been contacted by at least two individuals inquiring about how to become priest of Antoland (previously known as Cill Chaoi). Since there is no bishop in Cill Chaoi, what is the procedure to have a priest appointed there?
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 04, 2009 1:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Albrecht a écrit:
Since there is no bishop in Cill Chaoi, what is the procedure to have a priest appointed there?


We would need to elect a bishop for Killaloe. However the only active cleric in the diocese is sacristan deaconess Funmath. So unless one of the two applicants you mentioned is qualified to be a bishop, it may be some time yet until a priest is appointed in Cill Chaoi.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 04, 2009 6:15 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Well there is another complicated factor as well:

Both of the individuals who have asked about being named priest are unrepentant supporters of Anto_Capone and the NNGO, and insofar as I am aware, the declaration of Anathema against NNGO has not yet been lifted.

With nobody qualified to be named Bishop, is there no way at all to circumvent the system and get a priest there?

(speaking strictly OOC, it really isn't realistic in Ireland right now to expect every church position to be filled by a person qualified in the Church's eyes. There just aren't enough people, and I personally am of the belief that by leaving parish-level positions open we are doing more harm than good since people cannot even attend mass. There are willing people who want to serve as priests but due to various reasons do not meet the Church's criteria. The church is slowly dying in Ireland, owing in no small part to a tremendous shortage of appointed priests in the towns.

I think that over the long-term, it would be in the Church's best interest to fill these positions by any means necessary until such point as *qualified* applicants EXIST. There are oodles of lvl 3 church ways running around that refuse to take the clerical vows. I don't see why we should let the in-game functions of the church fall by the wayside due to a few forum RP formalities that have no bearing whatsoever on the actual in-game function of the parish priest's duties.)
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 04, 2009 11:56 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

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insofar as I am aware, the declaration of Anathema against NNGO has not yet been lifted.


Indeed
And as long as i am alive those won't be ordained... It is unthinkable to give the keys of the church to heretics even to leymen/women.
Beware that such proposal is very close breaking canon law, brother.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Nov 05, 2009 1:40 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Albrecht a écrit:
With nobody qualified to be named Bishop, is there no way at all to circumvent the system and get a priest there?


Not at this time. Confused


Ooc:
We have asked for direct appointments in this and similar situations before. The admins have not been willing to do so. We are not even at the worse end of this. There are a number of countries that have gone years (Greece comes to mind) that the admin have not allowed anyone to be appointed by not even coding the dioceses. So the fact we at least have coded dioceses and can have the admin appoint bishops is something to be thankful.

As for RP rules and IG coding, the two are intertwined by admin design and directive. It is not meant to be easy to fill these offices, Levan wants it to be as hard as possibly to get and keep someone in the office. In fact if coding was completed, hostile preachers would have the ability to remove a bishop from office. So at least we don't have to worry about that situation combined with the shortages we have now.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Nov 05, 2009 4:29 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

How long until Prospero qualifies to become a bishop of the diocese of Killaloe? Smile *tries to be positive*
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Funmath a écrit:
How long until Prospero qualifies to become a bishop of the diocese of Killaloe? Smile *tries to be positive*


It would be about a month yet. Though he is all ready a parish priest in a different diocese. Not sure if he would be interested in taking an outside bishop position.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Nov 05, 2009 9:50 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Correction, I'm not sacristan deacon. I'm just a deacon. I need a bishop in Killaloe before I can become the sacristan deacon of Inis. If people that are qualified to become bishops don't go to other diocese to become bishop, because their parish priest in another diocese, how are we ever going to get a bishop? If Prospero isn't interested, maybe another parish priest would be? I want a bishop, I'm not that picky.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Nov 05, 2009 11:50 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

You are correct on all points sister (though perhaps being just a little picky would okay). Wink
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 09, 2009 12:24 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

The diocese of Kilmacduagh have his first council member : Livius .

About An Gort I wasn't able to appoint IF Kaylia indeed she isn't a church way level but of the science way. Do you know if it's still possible for her to change her way ?

Tomorrow I will baptize Solon128 and a few days after (the time for him to follow the Seminary) he will be priest of his parish.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Nov 21, 2009 10:46 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Just checking back on the situation in An Gort.

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An Gort ...
There is an exchange of letters between Livius and me. He must follow the Seminary but he has problem to connect to this forum. I just suggested him to give me his email ... I hope this will solve this problem.

(the previous candidate wasn't level 3 of the church ... it's a waste of time)
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 03, 2009 1:09 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

invisible007 a écrit:
An Gort ...
There is an exchange of letters between Livius and me. He must follow the Seminary but he has problem to connect to this forum. I just suggested him to give me his email ... I hope this will solve this problem.

(the previous candidate wasn't level 3 of the church ... it's a waste of time)


Understood - thanks Cardinal Invisible007.

So, is Pamsel completely out of the running, then? If I am remembering correctly, Pamsel is already a priestess.
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invisible007 a écrit:
There is an exchange of letters between Livius and me. He must follow the Seminary but he has problem to connect to this forum.


If it is a registration problem, an account can be made for him. It takes less then a minute for me to do.
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Thank you for the update, Cardinal Apocas.

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