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MessagePosté le: Dim Mar 02, 2014 5:47 pm    Sujet du message: Excommunication Répondre en citant

Ok. We don´t have a CIC about the excommunication. So I can´t find solid information anywhere.

I was translating the excommunication of Adam Fugger and read the word "scomunica episcopale" / episcopal excommunication. I wondered, what does it mean? What has the bishop to do with it?

And then more specific questions. What is the difference in the consequences between a excommunication + anathema and a excommunication ipso facto?
I know a excommunication + anathema has to be spoken by the Curia and a excommunicatio ipso facto happens automatically if you do a certain thing.
How are the consequences of these two kind of excommunications different?

Are there more kinds of excommunication than these two?

What are exactly the consequences of any kind of excommunikation? You can´t achieve the solar paradies, of course. You our outside of the communion of saints and the aristotelian friendship. You can´t acess nor be buried in a sacred place.. Anything else? I Think we also need a theologial explanation here.

How are the different kind of excommunications lifted? Only by the Curia?

I think these are all questions which need to be answered and written in a new CIC.
We need to make clear what a excommunication means, what the different types are and what the consequences are.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Mar 02, 2014 7:13 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I agree with you, Your Eminence. We begin to write a draft of everything. Let's start from the meaning of excommunication, and then divide the number of cases, and finally analyze the various consequences.

At the end we will bring everything in the Curia.

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MessagePosté le: Ven Avr 04, 2014 2:19 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I will work on a draft, when I find the time.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 09, 2014 9:50 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

« - This work would be very helpful because in France many people misuse the word excommunication. I'd be happy to help you, YE Ysabet, to work on this subject. If you allow me to this, I could make you a draft. However I don't know if I'm allowed to do it, I'm only prefect and pontifical legist, not cardinal. »
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 09, 2014 12:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Sure. You are welcome to help. Smile
Just tell your ideas.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 09, 2014 12:21 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

« - First idea: we should distinct at least two types of excommunication. Many French bishops already make this distinction but no text says exactly what it is. The distinction would be between “classic” exco (we have to find a better name) and “latae sententiae” exco, which would be an exco de facto, done by the heretic himself, without needing an official advice from the Church - which is not the case of the classic excommunication. »

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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 09, 2014 1:12 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hmm. Ok.

Excommunication

Consequences (any kind):
- can´t achieve the solar paradies
- outside of the communion of saints and the aristotelian friendship
- can´t acess nor be buried in a sacred place
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Types of Excommunication
- latae sententiae: I don´t like the idea of an automatically excommunication. We can make a list, that is alright, of actions, which lead to an excommunication. But in my eyes there has to be a inquisition trial, which confirms or denies the guilt. And only with the verdict the person i actually excommunicated. Only if his guilt is proved.
- excommunication ipso facto: The Curia excommunicates all members of a certain group and they automatically get excommunicated with claiming to be a member of this group.
- excommunication + anathema: The hardest form of excommunication. It has to be proclaimed by the Curia on a certain person.
Faithful aristot are not allowed to speak or have Contact with someone, who I excommunicated by anathema.
- "normal" excommunication:
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